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Those who protest this would rather have had the dozen or so attacks happen than this terrorist receive 35 seconds of discomfort.
Don’t give me that “we’re better than this”.
What’s worse?
35 seconds of water up the nose to save thousands of civilians’ lives?
The razing of Dresden?
Two A-Bombs on civilian population centers to end a war?
.....but Anderson Cooper calls it torture!!!!!!
It's not torture.
Getting audited by the IRS is torture.
These fools talk about this like it some kind of clinical, theoretical college class. It is not. It is a death struggle.
If you are in a fight, bare knuckels, with someone who want to kill you...I have news for you, all the niceties go away. You kick, gouge, scratch, bite, pull, tear...whatever is necessary to survive and keep the other person from killing you. Real quickly, all the gentile mannerisms go away in an effort to stay alive.
We are in such a fight with radical islam. Our GIs in World War II and Marines were in such a fight with the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese...in many cases, particularly in the Pacific, prisoners were not taken. Those who tried to surrender (after a number who did killed our people after doing so) were executed, or burned alive in their pill boxes. Whatever measures necessary to assure victory and save American lives were taken, including beating the you-know-what out of prisoners to find out the enemiy's intentions. Sorry if that needles some folks sensibilities, but that's the truth.
In this case, as I understand it, the prisoners are left intact and physically uninjured. That is very tame and humane of us, and something I have absolutely no problem with if we are saving American lives and moving towards defeating these animals.
There is no moral equivalence, I refuse to even approach it from that perspective. Our nation's history, the lifestyle, prosperity, peace, and generosity of its citizens under our form of government...its non-imperial, non-land grabbing history...all of that, when compared to the history and life style and abject lack of freedom and tolerance of the enemy in this case is all the perspective I need.
So really and truthfully, who cares? Especially since these terrorists are not uniformed soldiers fighting in a recognized national military force and since our troops are horrendously tortured and killed whenever they are captured by Al Qaeda operatives?
Remember what happened to these two brave American soldiers?
Al-Qaida says new leader killed kidnapped GIs
Little risk of harm or injury of any sort. No scaring. No maiming. None of that involved. Yet, it is torture?
It is torture only because the enemy sympathizers and their useful idiots call it so.
The real purpose behind this particular attack at our ability to conduct this war is to ensure we do not have any means at all to gain intel from enemy detainees.
After they win on this point, and they will, through argument fatigue and constant redefinition, they’ll begin on taking away our right to detain anyone in this war for any reason for any duration.
I don’t aim that at the UK specifically but at all enemy sympathizers, leftists, communists, multicultis, pomos, arabists, islamists, jihadi. Foreign or domestic.
Yes, you are reading this correctly.
If it means the possibility that dozens, hundreds, thousands of lives might be saved through the use of torture to obtain information, well, we'd better use it. Or else, risk losing those lives.
I can't think of another way to express my sentiments more clearly.
You may disagree. But that's my opinion.
- John
Utter disinformation.
We did not torture them. We did not cause them severe pain or injury. We put on a little drama to scare them into thinking they would be tortured if they didn't talk.
Water boarding was effective on these terrorists because they know that the US does not torture prisoners. They expected to be kept awake, forced to listen to bad music, and made to stand for long periods of time, but to not face any real threat of serious pain, injury, or death.
That's why it only took 35 seconds for him to crack. His interrogators didn't need to torture him, they just needed to make him think that we had abandoned our rules against torture and would torture him.
As for lasting psychological damage... anyone who would plan or take part in the murder of thousands of innocent people is already far more psychologically damaged than wander boarding could do, and it shouldn't be long term psychological damage anyway, because these murderous terrorists should be facing execution in relatively short order.
Technically, torture is physical harm rendered to the victim.
Waterboarding does not physically harm the person.
There are no bruises, scars, wounds inflicted when waterboarding.
I don’t see what the problem is.
Personally, I don’t care if you have to spoon their eyes out, just get the info if it means saving thousands to millions of lives.
I bet they break so easy becasue they come from the desert and are totally unused to water.
It sounds like it would be good for the sinuses.
Hajji’s HATE the waterboard! The toughest person around usually breaks in a couple of minutes.
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Excellent.
A main aspect of liberalism is their inability to make distinctions. Spanking = child abuse; marriage, jobs, etc= slavery; a drawing of a gun = a gun; dodgeball= violence, etc etc. Discomfort = torture is just another example.
It is? Why?
“Torture” in quotes in the article. Torture with no quotes in title. Typical
Of course it works. And I’ll tell you something, once the jihadists kill a large number of Americans in the next strike — and with Pelosi and Reid running interference for them it’s an absolute certainty — then people are going to be a lot less squeamish about a lot more drastic measures than waterboarding. And the leftist liars who run the media will only have themselves to blame.
It was also approved by Congressional committee members, many of them the same democrats who squeal about it today.
Suspects are told they will die if they do not talk. And although the technique is supposed to be low-risk, critics say it can result in long-lasting psychological damage, injury to the lungs and even, in extreme cases, death.
Well excuuuuuuse me 'critics'.
If you think Waterboarding is 'torture' I suggest you listen to a Yoko Ono record. In ten seconds you'll be begging to be Waterboarded and after 20 seconds you'll beg to capped in the head.
(Studies have found that no living person has ever been able to withstand listening to Yoko Ono 'sing' for more than 30 seconds)