Posted on 12/12/2007 6:37:32 AM PST by UKrepublican
'Waterboarding broke al Qaeda captive in 35 seconds,' says former CIA agent defending torture
Use of the interrogation technique known as "waterboarding" was approved by the White House and gets results, a former CIA agent admitted yesterday.
The technique - which simulates drowning - was used against Al Qaeda captives with success, John Kiriakou told a U.S. TV network.
The one-time CIA interrogator is the first to speak out about the "torture" methods that have earned President George Bush's administration worldwide condemnation.
The White House has denied torture is used on terror suspects, but Mr Kiriakou said waterboarding "broke" one stubbornly silent Al Qaeda recruiter after just 35 seconds.
Waterboarding involves wrapping plastic or fabric around a detainee's face then pouring water over the top until it is forced up the nose and down the throat to simulate drowning.
Suspects are told they will die if they do not talk.
And although the technique is supposed to be low-risk, critics say it can result in long-lasting psychological damage, injury to the lungs and even, in extreme cases, death.
Mr Kiriakou told the ABC network that he had fought an "intellectual battle" in his mind over the use of waterboarding, and had concluded that it is justified as it saves lives by preventing terror attacks. "This isn't something done willy-nilly," he added. "This was a policy made at the White House, with concurrence from the National Security Council and Justice Department."
Mr Kiriakou told how waterboarding was used on Zayn Abu Zubaida, the first high-ranking Al Qaeda member captured after the September 11 attacks in 2001.
Abu Zubaida was seized in a gun battle in Pakistan in the spring of 2002. For weeks he refused to talk and remained ideologically zealous, defiant and unco-operative. Then he was flown to a secret CIA prison - believed to be in Afghanistan - and strapped to a board with his feet in the air.
Cellophane was wrapped around the Al Qaeda man's face and water was forced up his nose and into his throat to make him think he was drowning.
The suspect lasted only 35 seconds before he broke.
"It was like flipping a switch," said Mr Kiriakou.
"From that day on, he answered every question. The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks.
"Like a lot of Americans, I'm involved in this internal, intellectual battle with myself weighing the idea that waterboarding may be torture versus the quality of information that we often get.
"I struggle with it.
"At the time, I felt that waterboarding was something that we needed to do."
Mr Kiriakou said he did not interrogate Abu Zubaida, but learned the details from colleagues.
His account came as the U.S. Congress began questioning CIA director Michael Hayden yesterday about why the agency destroyed at least two videotapes of controversial interrogations.
Many senators believe it was done to hide evidence of illegal torture that could have been used against CIA agents in a war crimes tribunal.
General Hayden, speaking to the closed-doors Congress hearing yesterday was expected to say that CIA lawyers ruled that the interrogations were legal and the tapes were destroyed in 2005 to protect the identities of CIA employees who appear on them.
The torture scandal is likely to become a major issue in next year's presidential election.
Abu Zubaida - who says he was coerced into making false confessions - was eventually moved to the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he is now held in solitary confinement.
He is likely to be tried next year on terrorism charges and the CIA expects that he will spend the rest of his life in custody.
Mr Kiriakou, a 14-year veteran of the CIA who worked in both the analysis and operations divisions, left in 2004 and works as a consultant for a private Washington-based firm.
This is confusing to me. If the face is covered then how does water get into the nose and mouth? Just how much of the face is covered? And if the water does get down the nose and mouth, then why cover the face?
Heck...just getting a letter from them is torture.
Imagine taking a ziploc sandwich bag, placing it in someone's mouth when they are on an upside down incline, and then running a strong stream of water into the bag.
It will feel like your mouth is filling up with water and when you are upside down the water will flow from the bag into your nostrils even though gravity will prevent the water in your nostrils from flowing up into your lungs.
Thanks. So water is going into the nose?
Reid and Pelosi would be willing to accept a hit on their districts.
They’d blame the Bush administration saying that the War on Terror has not made us safer and then stepping in to be all “9-11 Rudy” and take credit for any cleanup/investigation of the hit.
You must be a conservative because of the trauma and psychosis from that.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
I don't care if we use blowtorches and rusty pliers on these thugs.
We're in a fight for our lives and we better start dealing with it that way.
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“.....but Anderson Cooper calls it torture!!!!!!”
Oh, alright then, case closed. LOL!
“I would rather see the citizens of Las Vegas die than risk potential psychological damage to the terrorist who knows the plans that have been made to kill them. I stand by that position and think that the people of Nevada will support me.”
Yup.
Gaudium et Spes 80
Monty Python... “I condemn you yet again!!!”
I was talking to someone who professes to be Catholic. Perhaps he shares your sense of humor.
I wonder if Anderson would approve if it would save his wife, husband, child, etc?
Is waterboarding crueler than beheading by knife? Carry on with the waterboarding, snowboarding, whatever it takes.
Those people would appear to have some consistency in their logic. On the other hand, those that believe the use of WMD's on Japanese cities and the wholesale destruction of Dresden were justified and "well-deserved" are the same people who are shocked and mystified when the US is attacked in such an indiscriminate manner. They would believe that nothing could possibly justify that kind of slaughter of innocents. An inconsistent logic.
They’re also silent on how many US military die in protracted wars for our security which could be ended.
They say support our troops, bring them home, but do nothing to shorten the war that will bring them home after success.
Probably not, because I would guess that the military use equipment that is more advanced than a sandwich bag. I would assume a membrane that stretches into the mouth and nose without admitting water.
And although driving your car is supposed to be low-risk, critics say it can result in long-lasting spinal damage, injury to the limbs and even, in extreme cases, death.
And although homosexuality is supposed to be low-risk, critics say it can result in long-lasting psychological damage, injury to the anus and even, in lots of cases, death.
And although liberalism is supposed to be low-risk, critics say it can result in long-lasting psychological damage, injury to the country and even, in lots of cases, death.
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