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Elder Ballard responds to evangelical criticism
Deseret Morning News ^ | Dec. 6, 2007 | Jennifer Dobner

Posted on 12/09/2007 7:31:08 PM PST by fallingwater

SALT LAKE CITY — When it comes to the big theological questions about God, Mormons and evangelical Christians will have to agree to disagree, a Mormon church authority said Wednesday.

"They're locked into the Nicene Creed . . . We're locked into the restoration and the experiences of Joseph Smith," said Elder M. Russell Ballard, a senior leader of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. "And that will undoubtedly be an issue until God himself comes."

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TOPICS: Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ldschurch; mormons; romney
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To: Colofornian

Differences between Clinton and Huckabee? Well, they are both statists for one . . . hmmm.

Oh, yeah, one of them has had a license to preach.


101 posted on 12/11/2007 6:22:10 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man; greyfoxx39; MHGinTN
Hello Old Mountain man.

How are you?

Here are some things to contemplate by Josh McDowell of Campus Crusade for Christ:

I have posted them several times - no Mormon ever addresses them. They just tell me that if they took "their time" to answer "every Mormon hater" they would have no time.

Interesting. Anyway - I never posted them to you - so I thought I would see. It is Chapter 33 of Josh's book. McDowell is an incredible Chritian by the way - and his life shows it.

I would appreciate it if you could address just a few of these in detail.

Thanks - and take care.

A Ready Defense

The Book of Mormon and Archaeology

Mormon scholars can be frustrated and embarrassed understandably when they realize that after all the years of work by archaeologists, both Mormon and others:

1. No Book of Mormon cities have been located.

2. No Book of Mormon names have been found in New World Inscriptions.

3. No genuine inscriptions have been found in Hebrew in America.

4. No genuine inscriptions have been found in America in Egyptian or anything similar to Egyptian, which could correspond to Joseph Smith's "reformed Egyptian."

5. No ancient copies of Book of Mormon scriptures have been found.

6. No ancient inscriptions of any kind in America which indicate that the ancient inhabitants had Hebrew or Christian beliefs have been found.

7. No mention of Book of Mormon persons, nations, or places has been found.

8. No artifact of any kind which demonstrates the Book of Mormon is true has been found.

9. Rather than finding supportive evidence, Mormon scholars have been forced to retreat from traditional interpretations of Book of Mormon statements. 15/12

102 posted on 12/11/2007 6:26:58 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

Okay, I will respond to the “Christian’s” statements as follows:

SO WHAT?

Show me the archeological evidence for Moses.


103 posted on 12/11/2007 6:31:37 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man

“Will you people get it through your heads that I have NO intention of going to every blasted anti-mormon site you wish to post?

I DON’T CARE WHAT THEY SAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Clear?

You people? It was just lil’ ole’ me.


104 posted on 12/11/2007 7:12:56 PM PST by rightazrain ("Once we have a war there is only one thing to do. It must be won. " -- Ernest Hemingway)
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To: tracer
So, what’s your point?

In regards to what?

105 posted on 12/11/2007 7:18:49 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Old Mountain man; greyfoxx39; MHGinTN
Show me the archeological evidence for Moses.

We will!

Wow!

This is so exciting!

Greyfoxx - will you ping the Christians and let us show Old Mountain Man the archeological (sic) evidence for Moses?

106 posted on 12/11/2007 7:35:21 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

He wouldn’t go to the sites on the Web to see the evidence ... kind of reminds me of the exchange with the rich man in Hell and his request to send someone back from the grave to warn his brothers of the terrible fate that awaits them ...


107 posted on 12/11/2007 8:19:26 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: SkyPilot

Really think there is archeological evidence of Moses from the time of Moses? Where? Not the sites, where is the evidence located? How long did it take for it to be found?


108 posted on 12/11/2007 8:28:51 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: SkyPilot

Do you suppose the one whom believes there are golden plates which were ‘given to Joe Smith for translating’ but which were taken back by the Angel Moroni would accept the tablets of stone, the ephod of Manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded?


109 posted on 12/11/2007 8:35:50 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: svcw

“What is an “evangelical”?”

Good question. Ask one of them. Other than they go out and evangelize (such as missionary work), I’m unsure as to what else they include in their definition of themselves. I’d be interested to hear the definitions given too. Go to it, evangelicals, what are you?


110 posted on 12/11/2007 10:08:49 PM PST by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: Colofornian

“I couldn’t agree with you more. I typed about 150 words...and 138 of them were yours...in the exact order you typed them...(thank you for making my point better than I ever could)”

If you couldn’t even understand what I was saying when I said you act like a child, then you are not only childlike, but also ignorant. Keep it up, your true colors are showing to all.


111 posted on 12/11/2007 10:23:46 PM PST by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: Colofornian

“I couldn’t agree with you more. I typed about 150 words...and 138 of them were yours...in the exact order you typed them...(thank you for making my point better than I ever could)”

If you couldn’t even understand what I was saying when I said you act like a child, then you are not only childlike, but also ignorant. Keep it up, your true colors are showing to all.


112 posted on 12/11/2007 10:23:52 PM PST by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud while grinding teeth in political frustration)
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To: tracer; MHGinTN
Don't look now, but the Church's power and influence are worldwide. Utah and Nevada are small potatoes, and, with respect to America, you've missed the train on that one, too........

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113 posted on 12/12/2007 5:53:56 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney, fooled TWICE by a Columbian gardener...what kind of discernment for POTUS is this?)
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To: colorcountry

 You best have a GUN for them undies just ain't workin'!!!

Mormon Missionary In Mexico, Gets His Nose Busted Up And Arrested Falsly, But Gets Bailed Out By The Bishop, Just In Time For 3 Baptisms!! Wow!!

Here are a couple of articles from a Utah TV Station and then a Utah Newspaper, describing what happened exactly. I'll make my comments after the articles. This is unbelievable!!

Channel 4 in Utah reported:

LDS Missionaries Attacked In Mexico

Watch Video

A Davis county missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and his companion are home from the hospital after a brutal attack.

It happened last Saturday while the missionaries were serving in Durango, which is part of the Mexico Torreon Mission. The elders apparently tried to stop an assault on a woman when they were severely beaten.

Gary Peterson received the call from his stake president saying his missionary son was in the hospital, along with his companion.

"It was pretty scary but a peaceful feeling knowing he was all right. He's out doing the Lord's work and that's what we're proud of."

20-year old Zach Peterson and his companion, Elder Zuniga were out knocking on doors when they saw a woman in trouble. The woman was screaming and pleading for a man to leave her alone. Zach's father says the missionaries confronted the man, who turned and hit Zach square in the jaw.

Zach fell hard to the ground, was knocked unconscious and started seizing. His companion was left to defend himself and was also punched in the face.

When police arrived, Zach's companion, still conscious, was hauled to jail with the man who'd just beat him up.

Police apparently wanted to keep both men in custody until they could get Zach's side of the story. When Zach regained consciousness the next day (Sunday), Elder Zuniga was bailed out of jail by the local bishop just in time to perform 3 new convert baptisms. Right after the baptisms, he went straight to the hospital for reconstructive surgery.

"All parents worry for their sons safety, but we realize what he's doing is what we feel is the lord's work and they will be protected no matter. There will be incidents, but always watched over and protected." says Gary.

Doctors say Elder Zach Peterson will be fine. He'll just need to spend a week in bed to recover. His companion, Elder Zuniga is recovering from surgery as well, and is expected to be back in good health soon, too.

Both Elders are expected to serve out the remainder of their missions in Mexico.

114 posted on 12/12/2007 6:23:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rightazrain
Read this please, concerning baptism for the dead:

We don't NEED to read your stuff; for we HAVE the truth!

--MormonDude(Our leaders have TOLD us!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJvqBq_Qa8

115 posted on 12/12/2007 6:26:53 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Mountain man
I would be interested to see if you have the brass to actually post it.

Do you have a temple recommend?

116 posted on 12/12/2007 6:28:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
"Smart-ass" is spelled with a hyphen.

Tsk tsk....

Have you been NAUGHTY??

117 posted on 12/12/2007 6:30:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: tracer

You spelled piss wrong.


118 posted on 12/12/2007 6:31:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
They were sent by Brigham Young. It was their mission to colonize Southern Utah. None of them did end up in Washington County. Parowan is in Iron County and Panguitch is in Garfield County. They are still there.

When the group made it to the area of SLC, "This is the place" was proclaimed.

After being washed away a couple of years, the remaining folks from Old Paria left the sand and silt to their dead and probably proclaimed, "This ain't the place."

119 posted on 12/12/2007 6:35:18 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot
Post #73 was courteous, logical, and not hurtful.

What was 75??

120 posted on 12/12/2007 6:35:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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