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Officials stand down F-15 A-D models until further notice
Air Force Link ^ | 12/5/2007 | AFPN and ACC staff

Posted on 12/07/2007 1:53:02 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity

12/5/2007 - LANGLEY AIR FORCE BASE, Va. (AFPN) -- The commander of Air Combat Command directed the stand-down Dec. 3 of all ACC F-15 A through D model aircraft until further notice.

The decision follows additional information received from the ongoing investigation of the Nov. 2 F-15C mishap that resulted in the loss of that aircraft.

Gen. John D.W. Corley, ACC commander, also recommended the grounding of all other A through D model aircraft in other Air Force major commands, including those under the operational control of U.S. combatant commanders.

Monday's findings from the accident investigation board indicate that a recently discovered defect may be more extensive and found in more aircraft than initially thought. These findings, based on a metallurgical analysis of the mishap aircraft, continue to focus on the F-15's upper longerons near the canopy of the aircraft. Additional cracks have been discovered in these longerons. The longerons are major structural components that run along the length and side of the aircraft.

Technical experts with the Warner Robins Air Logistics Center at Robins Air Force Base, Ga., are developing a specific inspection technique for the suspect area based on the recent findings. However, unlike previous inspections, the inspected aircraft will not be immediately returned to flight.

The duration of the stand-down is pending. Aircraft will not be returned to operational status until the F-15 A-D model findings and data have been analyzed, required inspections have been accomplished and the necessary repair or mitigation actions have been completed.

Computer simulations have indicated a catastrophic structural failure could result from cracks in the longerons. To date, longeron cracks have been discovered in an additional four aircraft. These aircraft are awaiting further engineering instructions before they are returned to operational status.

Air Combat Command officials continue to work with those in the Air National Guard, the Air Force Reserve and sister major commands in Europe and the Pacific, as well as with joint and coalition partners, to ensure mission coverage.

The stand-down does not affect the F-15E Strike Eagle.

(Courtesy of ACC News Service)


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f15; langleyafb; usaf
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I'll bet there are many mechanics working many hours to turn this around.
1 posted on 12/07/2007 1:53:03 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I guess the USAF needs to start ordering F/A-18s?


2 posted on 12/07/2007 1:54:23 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Little Ray

The 18 has other issues.

No, the 15 is getting old and needs to be replaced - and Congress keeps dicking around with the funding for the replacement F-22.


3 posted on 12/07/2007 1:56:41 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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News came out on 11/28 that F-15 A thru D models would be grounded for inspections, but the announcement this week is much more serious. They won’t be returned to flight status after inspection and serious structural repair instructions are coming.


4 posted on 12/07/2007 1:57:59 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Oh, the huge manatee!!!)
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To: Little Ray

F-18 has issues of its own. Turns out, the jet only has 1/2 the fatigue life that the Navy thought it did. Surprise surprise, the contractor fudged the results in their reporting to the Navy.


5 posted on 12/07/2007 1:59:40 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Oh, the huge manatee!!!)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity; Spktyr

Like it or not, the F22 is going to be slow in production and Congress is not going to buy enough of them fast enough. The F-35 is having some teething problems and will be a bit longer in development before it can be deployed.

The F/A-18, if deployed with he USAF, won’t be as hard used as it would be with the USN - no catapault shots or “controlled crashes” on to a moving deck. Hopefully, it will last a bit longer.
Best of all, its in production, NOW.

Of course, we could always buy some SU-30s...


6 posted on 12/07/2007 2:07:40 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Good news that the F-15E is not included in this investigation any longer and is free to bomb targets when needed.


7 posted on 12/07/2007 2:10:08 PM PST by OCC
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"Good news that the F-15E is not included in this investigation any longer and is free to bomb targets when needed."

OCC,

Do you remember the $&!+ that was given to X-41 as that was being produced? And then it kicked butt in Gulf War I.

I am so tired of weenies in congress slamming good product in the pipeline and also standing behind "toads" that should be canned.

They keep talking about a new bomber, Upgrade the B-1's with new avionic and the engines from the F119 and Upgrade the F-15E's with the F-119 engines as well. Good stop gap measure IMHO.

8 posted on 12/07/2007 2:17:21 PM PST by taildragger
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
F-18 has issues of its own. Turns out, the jet only has 1/2 the fatigue life that the Navy thought it did. Surprise surprise, the contractor fudged the results in their reporting to the Navy.

Some flow control and vibration issues on the wing unless I am mistaken. Watch the lack of vertical pull-ups up vs. the F-16's standing on their tails at airshows. What does that tell you...

9 posted on 12/07/2007 2:20:12 PM PST by taildragger
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

LOL

I’d imagine so.


10 posted on 12/07/2007 2:21:43 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: taildragger
I agree with you. Sometimes evolutionary is better than revolutionary! I had the honor of delivering AMMO to the 336th FS, one of the first to get the F-15E.
11 posted on 12/07/2007 2:23:12 PM PST by OCC
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To: Little Ray
I guess the USAF needs to start ordering F/A-18s?

No, they need to accelerate procurement of the F-22. Let's face it, the F-15 is about a 35 year old aircraft. It's time for replacement. The Navy has retired the F-14, which is similar in age, for much the same reasons: it was getting too difficult to maintain aircraft that old.
12 posted on 12/07/2007 2:28:20 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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The F-35 is having some teething problems and will be a bit longer in development before it can be deployed.

The F-35 really isn't an air superiority fighter, either. It will never be the air to air combat aircraft of the F-22. Hell, the only thing that makes it superior to the F-15 is its stealth capability. Other than that it's just a really fast Harrier.
13 posted on 12/07/2007 2:30:12 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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No, they need to accelerate procurement of the F-22.

We can fund it with a tax cut.

14 posted on 12/07/2007 2:37:08 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: taildragger

You are mistaken. Go watch the Blues flying A models for starters.


15 posted on 12/07/2007 2:37:20 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

I somehow doubt that the Blue Angels are flying the current F/A 18 E-F version. I’m not sure which version is supposed to have the fatigue issues, but ... it’s something to consider.


16 posted on 12/07/2007 3:51:17 PM PST by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Doesn't Venezuela fly F-15s?
17 posted on 12/07/2007 4:12:25 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
My Bad.

F-16's ( a few)

Venezuela Air Force

Combat aircraft

18 CF-5

18 OV-10

12 Mirage 50, (to be retired)

21 F-16, (10 of them operational)

24 Su-30MKV (similar with MK2 variant) - 14 commissioned (the remaining 10 are scheduled to arrive in 2008)[4]

18 posted on 12/07/2007 4:15:53 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
F-18 has issues of its own. Turns out, the jet only has 1/2 the fatigue life that the Navy thought it did.

Yeah but Navy fatigue is different, no? Carrier landings have a heckuva lot more shock & salt air creates more corrosion problems. I would think land-based F-18's would have much longer lifespans. Plus I think we'd be talking about F18-E/F models which are essentially a different aircraft from the F/A-18 A thru C.

19 posted on 12/07/2007 4:37:20 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: Tallguy

It depends. Yes, the load conditions are different for the landing gear and arresting hook for land vs. carrier landings. But pulling 9g in a dogfight is no different for carrier or land-based jets, those cycles add up no matter where you’re landing.


20 posted on 12/07/2007 5:33:03 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Oh, the huge manatee!!!)
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