50% of Republicans would not vote for Fred Thompson? (today's CNN/WMUR New Hampshire poll)

CNN/WMUR ^ | Nov. 19, 2007 | Staff

[jdm]

Sounds like typical CNN BS to me.

Link to today's 26-page New Hampshire poll report (PDF).

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[clamper1797]

it makes sense to drop the guy who squandered the spotlight

I don't think he has ... and I'm most certainly not going to take CNN's word for it. BTW is see how well Duncan did with them ...

think he would have gotten a national spotlight if Thompson had not stepped in

Oh Whaaaa that big bad bully Fred took all the marbles

I am now getting the idea of why people are callimg you "one note kevmo"

[AuntB]

I think they’re scared of a Thompson nomination. Trouble is, many in the GOP power circles seem to be scared of it too.

Maybe Fred turned out to be too conservative to suit the GOP power circles. It appears to be the trend.

[GnL]

I agree with you, but not because of the federalism issue. The concept of federalism is just too obscure for the average voter to grasp. It goes against all the indoctrination of big government that this country has been subjected to over the decades.

I am a big Fred fan and have contributed to his campaign. I hope he pulls this one out because Rudy and Romney are not conservatives in my book. I just don't understand how real conservatives can vote for social liberals like Rudy and Romney unless they just don't understand the candidates or don't understand the Constitution, or both.

[clamper1797]

Oh and BTW I voted for McClintock

[AuntB]

If this election were not so critical I would vote for him no matter what. But given the danger we face with the Demoncrats

Clamper, that's the same reason they gave us to force Bob Dole on us, and others. How many times must we fall for that? Just sayin'...

[clamper1797]

I don’t think Fred Thompson is Bob Dole

[Honeybunch]

And maybe 3 synapses.

[lgwdnbdgr]

I guess New Hampster loves NE RINOS

Woah, let's not beat up on a state just because UNH runs some ludicrous poll. An important aspect of any study of any type is to ask if it makes sense. If it doesn't make sense, you demand more evidence.

I've lived in a lot of liberal states and not even the most liberal RINOs would refuse to vote for a candidate like Fred under any circumstance. He's run a lackluster campaign, but he's probably the only candidate who doesn't have any "deal-breaker" positions among any faction in the GOP. I suspect he'll lose the primaries because he's everyone's second choice.

In short, blame UNH, not the honorable state of New Hampshire.

[Plutarch]

These polls only make the point that New Hampshire is the homeland of the Northeastern Shrillhorn RINO. Notice that the support numbers are directly proportional to the candidates’ liberal tendencies and inversely proportional to their conservative values.

It isn't the just, or even mainly, the relative conservatism, but a cultural aspect as well. There are plenty of rock-ribbed conservatives in New "Live Free or Die" Hampshire. Only 5% of NH GOP primary voters cotton to Fred Thompson, however. Likewise, Thompson lags in the Iowa, and pins his hopes on the Southern states of South Carolina and Florida. Thompson has Southern appeal that doesn't translate up North.

To win in 2008, the GOP candidate must win in the North. That is where the winnable swing states are. Bush won in the South by wide margins (the deep red in this map), and by election day, it won't be much different for Romney (if needed, with a Southern VP).

That support Romney earns in NH isn't something to denigrate, it is the sort of appeal in the Northern states that the GOP needs in 2008. Romney has it, and Thompson doesn't.

(This isn't trashing is it?)

[incindiary]

I know, I didn’t mean only CNN.

[Barnacle]

This poll is BS.

[seekthetruth]

I was thinking the same thing. The “won’t vote for him under any circomstances” just does not fly. But then this is a “CNN the most un-trusted name in news” poll. :)

[mylife]

It was just a guess :0)

[alicewonders]

Okay, here’s what I don’t understand about this poll. Maybe I’m reading it wrong & I’m sure if I am, someone will correct me. If you add the totals of the columns up and down - it doesn’t come to 100% - which I can understand, seeing as there are a percentage of people that may have indicated support for “Other” or “None of the Above”.

What I don’t understand is how come when you add the percentages ACROSS the rows for each candidate - they all come to 100% or 101%?

It seems to me if you are asking about a particular candidate - the choices are Currently, Would Consider, Would Not Support or No Opinion. Of the 4 candidates posted in this poll - I’m only going to pick ONE as the one I’m currently supporting. The other columns I could pick all three for Would Consider, Would Not, or No Opinion.

This is what seems not right to me - these rows shouldn’t always add up to the same percentages - should they?

Does anyone see what I’m saying? Am I off-base?

[TN4Liberty]

That's a very good argument. Do you believe a state would pass such a law? If they did, do you think a 30 year (so far) effort to change the Constitution would be the best route to go to save 6 year olds?

Suppose the SCOTUS ruled that it was the right of parents to kill a six year old, and that states did not have the authority to keep any parent from doing that. Wouldn't you want the ruling overturned to give the states back the authority to decide?

I think we share the goal. The only difference is in the method of accomplishment.

[Reagan Man]

What this shows is the liberalization of New Hampshire.

I doubt too many conservatives actually live in New Hampshire anymore.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

CNN must be worried about Fred.

Cool!

[LibLieSlayer]

Search out the new Gallup poll. In it’s internals are a very interesting tidbit. When honing in on likely primary voters, Fred is in a statistical dead heat with rootie. That is FAR from being down and out. He is beginning a real surge... not a huckster styled media facade. The tide is turning in many ways.

LLS

[ari-freedom]

It is official; Intrade now confirms: Fred’s campaign is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered Fred when Intrade confirmed that Fred’s market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all voters. Coming close on the heels of a recent Intrade survey which plainly states that Fred has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we’ve known all along. Fred is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent comprehensive national poll.

You don’t need to be a Kreskin to predict Fred’s future. The hand writing is on the wall: Fred faces a bleak future. In fact there won’t be any future at all for Fred because Fred’s campaign is dying. Things are looking very bad for Fred. As many of us are already aware, Fred continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
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what a load of BSd

[John Valentine]

Well, I think your example is not a particulalry realistic one and I don’t want to get drawn into a discussion about something so outre.

A far more realistic example is this: A state could decide that a 6 year old was INCAPABLE of murder, and strucure their laws in such a way. Any killing, no matter how premeditated or well planned it might appear, committed by a 6 year old might be off the table for a murder charge in such a state, while in another, under the very same set of facts, a murder charge might well be possible under that state’s laws.

Or, a state might allow reduced charges when the victim had uttered an inflammatory statement, i.e. “killn’ words”, whereas another might not permit such a mitigating consideration.

THAT’S federalism in the real world.