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Did Iranian Airbus Shootdown Foreshadow TWA 800?
Jack Cashill ^ | 11/14/07 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 11/16/2007 10:04:18 PM PST by Sioux-san

On the Sunday morning of July 3, 1988, at the tail end of the Iran-Iraq War, an Aegis cruiser, the USS Vincennes, fired two Standard Missiles at a commercial Iranian Airbus, IR655.

The first missile struck the tail and right wing and broke the aircraft in half. All 290 people aboard were killed. Misunderstanding America, the Iranians claimed that our Navy had intentionally destroyed the plane.

The Navy did no such thing.

(Excerpt) Read more at cashill.com ...


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KEYWORDS: cashill; flight800; iran; twa800; twaflight800
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More on the background for the downing of TWA 800.
1 posted on 11/16/2007 10:04:19 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

about how men are involved in the launch of a missle from one of our navy ships that would be capable of taking down flight 800? any navy FReepers out tonight?


2 posted on 11/16/2007 10:10:41 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Sioux-san

Having served on an Aegis cruiser (The Vincennes, although a few years after the shootdown), I find it highly unlikely that TWA 800 was the result of an accidental shot from the Normandy. It just doesn’t work that way. Most of the time, the magazines were empty until you prepared to deploy, and you certainly didn’t operate live fire exercises in the vecinity of Long Island. The missile ranges are much farther south, off Norfolk.


3 posted on 11/16/2007 10:12:58 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Sioux-san

And the Iranian diesel sub that fired the missile got away.


4 posted on 11/16/2007 10:18:16 PM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Sioux-san
I and a few others in this board saw John Kerry slip up in a interview immediately after 911 and call TWA 800 a “terrorist act”.

The interviewer went on like nothing had occurred.
5 posted on 11/16/2007 10:23:02 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: neodad

What do you make of the missile sitings in the Long Island area about six days prior to the TWA 800 incident?

I don’t question your analysis, but something sure seems to have been taking place around Long Island in that time frame.

The Navy also admits there was a training exercise in the TWA 800 vacinity on the night of the TWA 800 incident.


6 posted on 11/16/2007 10:29:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: DoughtyOne

Dang...

sightings = sitings


7 posted on 11/16/2007 10:29:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I remember it well.


8 posted on 11/16/2007 10:30:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1108783/posts


9 posted on 11/16/2007 10:33:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

There was at least one book written about this incident, speculating that it could have been a navy training (inert) missle, that punctured the cabin, leaving red “missle fuel residue” that the FBI confiscated (except his remnant) and was witnessed by about 286 people including on duty pilots. The FBI further harrassed his gov’t employee wife, etc... I believe that radar shows the missle approaching the plane. I am not saying that I believe that our navy did it, but I do believe that a missle from somewhere took flight 800 down.


10 posted on 11/16/2007 10:38:34 PM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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To: Sioux-san

thanks, bfl


11 posted on 11/16/2007 10:45:04 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: DoughtyOne

That was it! Larry King Live.


12 posted on 11/16/2007 10:46:48 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57375


13 posted on 11/16/2007 10:48:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: matthew fuller

More from Cashill - Pt. 10 on TWA-800:

# Naval presence. Despite at least six credible sightings of a Navy warship off Long Island after 3 p.m. on July 17, the Navy insisted it had none within two hundred miles of the crash site. Under duress in November 1997 the FBI admitted that the Normandy and now three submarines—Trepang, Albuquerque, and Wyoming—were in the “immediate vicinity” of the crash site.

# Mystery ships. For five months the FBI denied the existence of a “surface vessel” that it would later identify as being three miles from the crash site, having a speed between twenty-five and thirty-five knots, and fleeing the scene. The FBI finally admitted its presence but never identified it.


14 posted on 11/16/2007 10:49:53 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: PetroniusMaximus

That link I just supplied in 13, is real key for me. All those witnesses that were discredited, over 200 of them, now have a verification of sorts.


15 posted on 11/16/2007 10:50:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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As it happens one of the biggest pushers of the “Navy missile theory” was an antiwar conspiracy theorist whose website featured crap written by Ismail Royer, one of the Paintball cell / VA Jihad terrorists- a group headed by a cleric with ties to Iraq. I guess if my buddies were Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists I’d want to distract people with accusations against the Navy, too.


16 posted on 11/16/2007 10:55:05 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
John Kerry's second reference to TWA 800 as an act of terrorism.

Sourced at the following link, halfway down the page.

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/time2askKerry.htm

After Kerry' remarks to Larry King on September 11, at least one person called his office for a clarification. After some back-and-forth, she was told that she must have misunderstood.

On Sept. 24,2001, there was no mistaking the meaning of Sen. Kerry's remarks. I personally watched him say the following to Chris Matthews on "Hardball."

You know, we've had terrorism for a long time now. We've had the Achille Lauro, the Munich Olympics, the pipe bomb at the Olympics in Atlanta, the TWA 800, the bombing of embassies, and it's not going to disappear overnight.

17 posted on 11/16/2007 11:00:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I had realized that the FBI had taken over the NTSB investigation. I had not heard of the exact government mechanism they used to do it.

This article makes it clear what took place.

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/top_fbi_lawyer.htm


18 posted on 11/16/2007 11:21:30 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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TWA Flight 800 Shrapnel Court Hearing

This lawsuit has now established that the FBI cannot, or does not want to find any of these critical forensic results that might easily validate their conclusion once and for all. FBI documents released over the course of this litigation prove that scores of unidentified “metal fragments” and “metal pellets” were removed during the autopsies of the 230 victims. But the forensic evidence derived from analysis of those objects or any of the hundreds of others collected during the autopsies cannot now be located in its investigation archives.

I had not heard of this before.  I did find reference to it on several web sites.  This one doesn't seem all that reliable a source, but it does breach the subject.  Has anyone else heard of this?

Approximately half way down the page
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/twashrapnel.php

Further...

So six years of litigation has established that there was abundant evidence obtained during the autopsies that potentially defined the exact nature of the reported explosions, and that the FBI apparently now has no idea where to find that particular forensic evidence generated by their $40 million investigation.


More reliable...

About 2/3rds of the way down the page

http://www.cashill.com/twa800/10th_anny_6of10.htm
19 posted on 11/16/2007 11:51:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Sioux-san

bttt


20 posted on 11/17/2007 12:03:19 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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