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Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which as received rave reviews from scientists.

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The E8 pattern (left), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

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Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."

What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."



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KEYWORDS: maybeyesmaybeno; physics; science; stringtheory; surfer; theoryofeverything
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To: TrueKnightGalahad
thank=think


181 posted on 11/14/2007 8:16:46 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: headsonpikes

Nicely done!

Connections, you see, there are always connections.


182 posted on 11/14/2007 8:22:28 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ("It does no good to be a super power if you have to worry what the neighbors think." BuffaloJack)
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To: uncitizen
I wonder if Einstein said “Holy Crap, that’s it!” when he made his big discovery....

Indeed. Not even Emmett Brown knew immediately that he had discovered the Flux Capacitor.

183 posted on 11/14/2007 8:26:01 PM PST by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Charles Martel

183 posts and unless I missed it nobody has noticed that this guy is Lex Luthor...


184 posted on 11/14/2007 8:31:54 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Judy Ruliani - Could our next president be a drag....queen?)
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To: darkwing104
The answer is indeed 42...but Cliff Klaven once told me a little known fact, that "Doug Adams" was the nom de plume of an alien from a parallel universe, and "42" is the answer in that universe, and not ours.
185 posted on 11/14/2007 8:33:22 PM PST by TrueKnightGalahad (When you're racing...it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.)
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To: AU72
All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz, and I'm fine.


186 posted on 11/14/2007 9:07:02 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Here’s another article and interview worth reading:

http://www.fqxi.org/community/data/articles/Lisi_Garrett.pdf

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2007/08/garrett-lisis-inspiration.html


187 posted on 11/14/2007 9:09:16 PM PST by devere
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To: pdunkin
A Vogon Destructor spacecraft.

Meet me at the Restaurant at the End of the Universe...We'll do lunch.
188 posted on 11/14/2007 9:10:30 PM PST by Sudetenland (Liberals love "McCarthism," they just believe he was targeting the wrong side.)
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To: devere; All
Good links.

I should've linked to Lisi's own site in my post #1, but didn't. Here's the link:

Deferential Geometry (Garrett Lisi's website)

189 posted on 11/14/2007 9:36:14 PM PST by snarks_when_bored (quote)
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To: xzins

Thanks for the ping!


190 posted on 11/14/2007 9:58:09 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: RightWhale
IQ above 130 should be treated as a disability by the state and those unfortunates should be put on stipend for life including an allowance for philosophy and math books from Amazon of $100 a month.

Hehee, you're a genius! I couldn't agree with you more....don't we wish :)

191 posted on 11/14/2007 10:30:29 PM PST by eldoradude (Think for yourself!)
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To: devere

If I remember correctly... Kary Mullis, the chemist who won a Nobel for his work on DNA/PCR research, was also a surfer.


192 posted on 11/14/2007 10:34:27 PM PST by Knightmixer
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To: Grut

Sounds a lot like that boy genius, William Sidis, who went from Harvard at age 11 to dropping out of the public eye and working as a machine clerk. He apparently had a unique fascination with train schedules. To each his own, I suppose. I believe the poor guy ended up dying of a brain hemorrhage in his forties.


193 posted on 11/14/2007 10:57:24 PM PST by Knightmixer
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To: Kevmo; AdmSmith; bvw; callisto; ckilmer; dandelion; ganeshpuri89; gobucks; KevinDavis; ...
"Cosmic, dude" ping. Thanks Kevmo (for the ping, and for the kind remarks). No doubt of interest to the FRSTPL.

194 posted on 11/14/2007 10:59:07 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: betty boop; xzins
Indeed, this is a very fascinating theory. And yes, xzins, I am quite excited about the geometry!

For anyone interested, here is the actual article by Lisi:

An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything
195 posted on 11/14/2007 11:01:26 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Southack
"And I think that our universe isn't symmetrical."

I think the vacuum has to be symmetrical, like the inside of a perfectly round balloon. But you can put some marbles and some marshmellows in the balloon and bounce them around without altering the volume or changing the roundness of the shape of the vacuum. I think the shape has to be constant and unchanging except for it getting larger in diameter. The vacuum (pull) has to be the same at any and all theoretical points inside the shell for the mechanics of the universe to work properly and predictably. Just don't ask me to explain. I'm having difficulty completing the model. Thanks.

196 posted on 11/14/2007 11:40:58 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping. Can you tell me what I’m trying to say here? Thanks.


197 posted on 11/14/2007 11:42:44 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Well, you started out thanking me for the ping, then asked me if I knew what you were saying there. ;’)


198 posted on 11/14/2007 11:52:52 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s it, huh? Okay, pal. No marshmellows for you! :>


199 posted on 11/14/2007 11:56:28 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

I think the surfer dude got a Spirograph for Christmas a couple of years before he got his first surfboard. Too many sunscreen fumes, duuuude.

248-dimension maths puzzle solved
BBC | Monday, March 19, 2007
Posted on 03/19/2007 9:01:10 PM EDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1803493/posts

Is this the fabric of the universe?
Telegraph | 3/19/07 | Roger Highfield
Posted on 03/19/2007 11:34:38 PM EDT by LibWhacker
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1803546/posts


200 posted on 11/15/2007 12:05:48 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Thursday, November 8, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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