Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which as received rave reviews from scientists.

rr
The E8 pattern (left), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

advertisement

Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."

What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."



TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: maybeyesmaybeno; physics; science; stringtheory; surfer; theoryofeverything
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 221-227 next last
To: Tijeras_Slim

Spirograph...it was fun for about 10 minutes.


101 posted on 11/14/2007 12:54:50 PM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]

To: rightinthemiddle

So, does this mean that a spirograph can produce energy from cold fusion?


102 posted on 11/14/2007 12:56:37 PM PST by Clioman
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: pdunkin
What’s yellow and dangerous?

Moby the banana.

103 posted on 11/14/2007 12:58:19 PM PST by Drawsing (The fool shows his annoyance at once. The prudent man overlooks an insult. (Proverbs 12:16))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 95 | View Replies]

To: rightinthemiddle

Another great 70’s icon, like macrame and decoupage.


104 posted on 11/14/2007 12:58:34 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 101 | View Replies]

To: Sender

Most people either have the time to spend doing what they want but not the money, or are spending their time making money. Typically the only way to do what you want is to scrounge up a little dough and just hit the road for some fraction of the year. I see 4.5 months of homelessness in my near future as ski season starts.


105 posted on 11/14/2007 1:03:57 PM PST by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 86 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored

bump for later read


106 posted on 11/14/2007 1:05:23 PM PST by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WoofDog123

“the surfer dude actually holds a doctorate in theoretical physics”

And he has probably just assured himself of an associate proffessorship somewhere...

Attention Indiana University, HIRE THIS GUY!


107 posted on 11/14/2007 1:12:01 PM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored
"There is not a glimpse of physics in that paper. You won't find anything like a "Lagrangian", "amplitudes", "masses", "cross section", "energy", "force", "Hamiltonian", "entropy", "path integral", "temperature", or other words that you expect in physics paper. When he talks about actions, they're always wrong actions from some previous obscure papers that have clearly nothing to do with observable physics either. On the other hand, you find a lot of random assignments of particles to vertices of polytopes - something that you know from papers about the octopi. "

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/11/exceptionally-simple-theory-of.html

108 posted on 11/14/2007 1:12:15 PM PST by Paladin2 (We don't fix the problem, we fix the blame!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: truthluva
I think that white dot in the center of the pic on the left is me!

Actually the pic on the left is a photo of my right eye the morning after too much single malt.

109 posted on 11/14/2007 1:14:27 PM PST by tx_eggman ("Believing without loving turns the best of creeds into a weapon of oppression" Eugene Peterson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored

DO NOT STARE AT E8 TOO LONG. IT WILL MAKE THE WHOLE PAGE SPIN!


110 posted on 11/14/2007 1:16:43 PM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored

Later read.


111 posted on 11/14/2007 1:19:52 PM PST by marvlus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Hardastarboard

“It looks like a doily, not a potholder. I have disproven your theory with one simple, elegant rebuttal.”

I reject your reality and impose my own. It’s a fractal mandala laid down by exiled Tibetan monks living on Maui.


112 posted on 11/14/2007 1:23:13 PM PST by dljordan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored

This was in a thread a while ago. 248 dimensions but it needs only 3 spatial and 1 temporal. Bogosity happening here. Multibogosity. Maximus bogismus. OTOH it does add to indeterminateness so it isn’t all bad.


113 posted on 11/14/2007 1:29:05 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: madvlad
He is likely unemployed w/ good reason.

I seem to recall that after a certain point, around 130, IQ is negatively correllated with 'success'. Also that at one time, the person with the highest IQ in Australia earned her living as a belly dancer.

The very smart, in other words, are very different.

114 posted on 11/14/2007 1:30:56 PM PST by Grut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: weegee

“BEING POOR SUCKS”

Looks like he has also figured out a unifying theory of economics also.


115 posted on 11/14/2007 1:31:09 PM PST by PGR88
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Greg F
The E8 looks like a potholder.

Area rug.

116 posted on 11/14/2007 1:34:56 PM PST by nonsporting
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: geezerwheezer
after we drank up uncle zeb’s white lightnin’.

Old geezer on ethanol, eh?

117 posted on 11/14/2007 1:38:58 PM PST by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in small groups or in whole armies, we don't care how we do it, but we're gonna getcha)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: snarks_when_bored

Incidentally, is it just me or if you put a beard on the guy would he be a dead ringer for Oscar Boom?


118 posted on 11/14/2007 1:40:29 PM PST by Grut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Paladin2

Yes, I figured folks would follow links from Peter Woit’s page to Motl’s page. Motl failed to get tenure at Harvard, but he’s learned nothing from the experience.


119 posted on 11/14/2007 1:58:42 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 108 | View Replies]

To: Ancient Drive
Didn’t Einstien surf?

I imagine it’s all relative. Now keep in mind, that’s just a theory.

120 posted on 11/14/2007 2:01:56 PM PST by Syncro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 81-100101-120121-140 ... 221-227 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson