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I know a few men like Dr. Baskerville. They belong to what I call the 'Bitter Bachelor's Club'.

Divorced men who have been royally ripped off by so called "family courts".

1 posted on 11/13/2007 7:08:32 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Baskerville is wrong. At its root, divorce is a cultural problem, not a political one. No-fault divorce laws are a bad idea but they came out of a culture that views marriage as an exercise in self-gratification, which can be ended as soon as one of the spouses tires of it. As soon as people stopped thinking of marriage as an unbreakable, lifelong commitment, they started pressuring lawmakers to “liberalize” divorce laws, to make divorce easier to get.

Telling young men not to have marry or to have children is stupid because it will only further weaken marriage, not strengthen it. Baskerville’s very negative portrayal of women in this article is untrue and only serves to worsen relations between the sexes, not improve them.

He should have advised young men to marry women who see marriage as a lifelong commitment and who are willing to remain chaste before marriage. People who cannot delay their self gratification before marriage will not be able to delay it afterward.


291 posted on 11/13/2007 1:27:04 PM PST by steadfastconservative
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To: Responsibility2nd
I agree that men who have this type of attitude should not marry the same as I think that women who think all men are untrustworthy should not marry.

There is something twisted with their psyche and to prove their own point they will either choose badly or will drive their spouse away.

In the end, YOU PICKED 'EM. Blame society, your parents, their parents, friends, the church, the courts, the stars or the sheep in the meadow but the truth is the only one responsible for you not choosing the right person is you.

310 posted on 11/13/2007 1:55:54 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; WFTR; snugs

Here is a little light reading between weekends...


313 posted on 11/13/2007 2:00:42 PM PST by GOP_Raider (Television is all Tommy Westphall's fault, damn it!)
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Any young man who heeds this advice and forgoes the joys of being a Dad is being seriously misled.
One cannot fully explore or experience the depths of the love in one's heart without becoming a parent. God has designed us for this. That is what we should be doing with our lives. It is how we should be glorifying His name.
332 posted on 11/13/2007 5:21:50 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Jet noise. The Sound of Freedom. - Go Air Force!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

LOL! The dramatic changes in family law brought about by federal reform have effected 10s of millions of people directly, and they have friends and relatives. It’s amazing to find people who’s blinders are on so tight that they don’t seem to get it yet. LOLADH!!!


373 posted on 11/14/2007 9:56:52 AM PST by RogerFGay
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Advice to young men: Do not marry, do not have children

True, some men should not marry or have children. But if none did so, then the U.S. wouldn't exist for very long.

378 posted on 11/14/2007 11:22:34 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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FTA:And yet I cannot, in good conscience, urge young men to marry today.

And if young men were in the habit of taking this guy's advice, that statement might mean something. As it is, I doubt it carries any weight at all.

385 posted on 11/14/2007 11:51:07 AM PST by mountainbunny
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“The fall in the Western birth rate is directly connected with divorce law”

That’s BS. It’s only part of the reason...the larger reasons are threefold; one, advanced industrial societies inevitably have a decline in birth rates as living standards increase, and that becomes more important than having children...in other words, we get spoiled by material goods. Second, legal abortion has cut a swath through birth rates. Third, when we were more religious and faithful, having children was seen as a good thing to do for the world, as it was part of God’s plan, even though its a lot of work. Now, in our typically spoiled Western mindset, having kids is seen as a “fullfilling” thing, something we do to please ourselves. In a way, for many people having kids is like getting a new car....something to be acquired for personal pleasure and status (and boy are they surprised when they find out how much work it is).


395 posted on 11/14/2007 12:34:35 PM PST by DesScorp
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There is not doubt that our society has screwed up the God created institution of marriage. There are many reasons why marriages fail, but the attitude by society that divorce is very acceptable has done much harm. For the most part, people divorce for very selfish reasons. Marriage is all about their needs and wants, but they feel no obligation to the needs of their children or their spouses. People do not marry for the right reasons. With the way that things are today, I can understand why people are cynical when it comes to marriage. They have good reasons to be so. I have been blessed in that I am about to celebrate my fortieth wedding anniversary soon, but marriage was held in high honor in our generation. Today, marriage has become a not so funny joke.
397 posted on 11/14/2007 12:51:27 PM PST by Ferox
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To: Responsibility2nd

Marked for future reading.


399 posted on 11/14/2007 1:00:08 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Responsibility2nd; Bushwacker777; wardaddy; r9etb; AFPhys; ClearCase_guy; kittymyrib; Greg F; ...
Baskerville is right on all counts, and this is probably the most crucial issue facing our nation. (De-industrialization/off-shoring and illegal immigration following closely)

It's heartrendingly pathetic to here so many men over the years proclaim "It won't happen to me/us!...we love each other...we're traditional...those other husbands musta done something wrong...my girlfriend/wife isn't like that".

We need 'Family Law Reform' to 1.end unilateral/no-cause divorce. 2. Enforce statutory 'Shared Parenting Guidelines' for equal physical custody of kids where both parents are fit. 3. End unilateral move-aways where kids are involved. 4. Prosecute cases of adultery and 'alienation of affection'. 5. Require 'cost-sharing standard' for child support with 'mutual accountability'(e.g., receipts)

That's a Pro-Family political agenda that will win resoundingly in every state of this nation. (e.g., a 'Shared Physical Custody' Ballot Referendum won with about 80% in Massachusetts a few years ago.)

Anyone who favors restoring the American family should read Warren Farrell's 'Father and Child Reunion' and his earlier 'The Myth of Male Power'. And Baskerville's writings are generally excellent. Check out www.acfc.com, the 'American Congress of Fathers and Children'.

424 posted on 11/14/2007 3:14:57 PM PST by ProCivitas (Duncan Hunter = Pro-Family + Fair Trade = Pro-America. www.gohunter08.com)
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Will a pre-nuptual agreement help negate the partiality of the law towards women?

Marriage used to be a religious institution, now it’s both mostly governmental...and therefore a sham.

If it weren’t for the tax benefit I wouldn’t even consider getting married. Write your own vows and get married in your own church, by your own rules - and who cares if it’s legally recognized by the government - keep them out of it!


429 posted on 11/14/2007 4:17:37 PM PST by Swordfished
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I’ve been happily married for 30 years. Wouldn’t change it.

Unfortunately, the author is still pretty much on the mark here. Sad, but true.

There are men that are poor husbands and should be divorced. But that is not his point. The point here is that one can be a responsible and good husband and likely still get the same treatment in court that the bum gets. Woman gets pissed, your ass is grass. SOL.


432 posted on 11/14/2007 4:25:22 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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I agree with the guy. Especially about the children part. 18 years + worth of gravy train, neverending if you count frozen embryos.
437 posted on 11/14/2007 5:48:22 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don’t trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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Baskerville has been at this for over a decade. You’d think it would be enough time to get over it. Must be making money which makes him no better than the court whores he abhors.


441 posted on 11/14/2007 6:10:40 PM PST by Ben Chad
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Advice to young men: Do not marry, do not have children

Lets face it, in today's America, it's just too large of a liability risk.

445 posted on 11/14/2007 7:59:16 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Landru

If I am to believe what I am reading, we are the exception to the rule.

As for me, I am married 22 years and counting. We have been through Hell and back, together. My beloved is my best friend.

The vow I took in front of God & everybody was for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. It has been worse; it got better again. We fell into deep financial straits; we dug ourselves out and got back up on our feet again. We’ve both lost our health at one point; we both got it back again.

We are currently on the road to surviving the loss of a child. I read somewhere 80% of marriages fail when a child is lost. I think we’re going to make it through this trial as well, the toughest I’ve ever experienced.

Your mileage may vary.

For what its worth, I’ve never met a man who could honestly say his divorce was a good thing.


461 posted on 11/15/2007 6:17:51 AM PST by BraveMan
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To: Responsibility2nd
I am reminded of an old song

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life

find an ugly girl and make her your wife ...

There's some truth in that.

464 posted on 11/15/2007 6:50:25 AM PST by grasshopper2
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To: Froufrou

This guy puts it much more eloquently than I could.


468 posted on 11/15/2007 7:09:40 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Advice to young men: MAN-UP

jw


479 posted on 11/15/2007 9:41:23 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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