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Solar Activity, Earth's Magnetic Field and Galactic Cosmic Rays Affect Climate
CO2Science.org ^ | 20 June 2007 | Dergachev, V.A., Dmitriev, P.B., Raspopov, O.M. and Jungner, H.

Posted on 11/12/2007 10:07:52 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE

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Above comments summarize the original paper about Cosmic rays influencing climate changes: remarkably, the cosmic ray flux (intensity) DOES track with the changes we have seen in temperatures - both historically and in the geology (plant life, etc.) of the past few thousand years.

But CO2 levels are conspicuous in their FAILURE to track past climate changes.

But CO2 changes do track well with the environmentalists/socialists/neo-communists/Euro-naitons is THEIR efforts to control the world's energy supplies.

1 posted on 11/12/2007 10:07:53 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Is this the next “Global Warming” or just another cause of it?


2 posted on 11/12/2007 10:21:31 PM PST by matthew fuller (Crop-circles, killer rabbits and UFO'S are caused by GLOBAL WARMING!)
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I can see it now...a NYT article “Cosmic Rays caused by Big Oil” Women and minorities hurt the most! It’s time for “universal cosmic ray control!” We’ll have “cosmic credits” By mid-afternoon Gore will proclaim “The science is settled”. Nancy Pelosi will say “I’m sure if we just go talk to these cosmic rays, they’d be reasonable”. Hillary, clutching the FBI file on cosmic rays will be on the phone trying to contact Cosmic dishwashers in NYC. John Edwards wonders how these cosmic rays could affect his hair.


3 posted on 11/12/2007 10:43:03 PM PST by stratocaster (some people see dark clouds...others see silver linings)
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To: matthew fuller
My opinion of their work?

The combination of (Solar Wind/solar Magnetic Shielding) + (Earth’s Magnetic Field Changes) + (Background Cosmic Ray levels) -> (Decreased Cloud Cover) -> (Increased Earth’s Temperature) is very solid, and IS the cause of the (current) 1/2 degree change in temperature.

These changes track over the past few centuries, and track (through proxies like Argon and O2 isotope changes) through previous glacial and warm periods.

CO2 and methane levels do NOT track as precursors to temp changes, but instead FOLLOW temperature changes. They therefore, cannot be the cause of the temperature change. Solar flux (Cosmic ray interactions) DOES track as a precursor to temp changes.

CO2 is NOT responsible for the net changes in temperature we see today, but IS responsible for the greater plant growth and a large amount of today’s increased agriculture and woodlands productivity.

4 posted on 11/12/2007 10:44:27 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
CO2 is NOT responsible for the net changes in temperature we see today, but IS responsible for the greater plant growth and a large amount of today’s increased agriculture and woodlands productivity.

Ya, right. Tell that to our idiot governor (Crist), several other idiot governors and the rest of them with their hands out waiting to cash in on the sheeple that believe this.

5 posted on 11/12/2007 10:47:01 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: matthew fuller
Is this the next “Global Warming” or just another cause of it?

Uh no...You must understand, GW is only caused by man. Anything else, any other ideas, don't really fit.

6 posted on 11/12/2007 10:47:55 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Reform Canada; xcamel
For the AGW ping list tomorrow.

www.Co2science.org has 15-20 other studies on the positive links between cosmic ray levels and climate - most establishing the relationship between cosmic ray flux density and low level and intermediate level cloud cover.

Try this list of studies to start:

http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/subject/e/extraterrestrial.jsp

7 posted on 11/12/2007 10:59:10 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: matthew fuller
Is this the next “Global Warming” or just another cause of it?

Neither!

It's the SOLE cause of it..!

8 posted on 11/12/2007 11:49:07 PM PST by Wil H
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Unfortunately, Al Gore cannot make money off of cosmic rays as yet.

But thank you for your interest. In the event that Mr. Gore can make money off of cosmic rays in the future, he’ll contact you.


9 posted on 11/13/2007 12:12:37 AM PST by JennysCool (Don't taze me, Bro!)
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To: JennysCool

/recording from Al Gore’s Office of Consumer Response Responses 8<)


10 posted on 11/13/2007 12:22:21 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Beowulf

~~ AGW™ ping~~


11 posted on 11/13/2007 3:11:18 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
CO2 and methane levels do NOT track as precursors to temp changes, but instead FOLLOW temperature changes. They therefore, cannot be the cause of the temperature change. Solar flux (Cosmic ray interactions) DOES track as a precursor to temp changes.

Louder, please. I think some Liberals in the back of the room didn't hear that part.......

12 posted on 11/13/2007 4:42:16 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Thinking of voting Democrat? Wake up and smell the Socialism!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Bush did it!


13 posted on 11/13/2007 5:03:46 AM PST by deathrace2000 ("I regret that I have but one life to give for my country", Nathan Hale before execution.)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

Huh??

Are you saying that AlGore is wrong?

But....I thought the debate was over.


14 posted on 11/13/2007 5:05:55 AM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

The truth shall be suppressed by the left and its minions in the media.


15 posted on 11/13/2007 5:11:31 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Mainstream media: the publishing division of the democratic party)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
However, the CO2 radiative forcing exceeds this variability, no?
16 posted on 11/13/2007 5:47:04 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
No, it (CO2 forcing) doesn’t.

Changes in CO2 have not - even at the very high levels of CO2 in the past - changed temperatures.

Today - as CO2 levels have steadily increased, temps have gone up (twice) , gone down (twice), been steady. No one, at any time in any research, has shown that CO2 changes temperatures at any level (high altitude, mid-troposphere, lower atmospheric, or on the ground.)

17 posted on 11/13/2007 11:29:33 AM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Please explain how the extra 2 W/m2 disappears in the energy balance.
18 posted on 11/13/2007 3:29:15 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Cooling: Increased cloud cover (not now in the GCM program models) reflects the incoming radiation back into space.

Warming: Decreased clouds allow more IR, visible, and UV rays to penetrate lower, get absorbed, and be re-reflected back by the (increased) water vapor still present.

19 posted on 11/13/2007 5:10:36 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Increased cloud cover (not now in the GCM program models)...

Of course parameterization for cloud cover is included in GCMs!

But my question was about the energy balance, if the radiative forcing (IPCC definition) is 2 W/m2, how is that excess energy expressed, if not as atmospheric heat (sensible/latent)?

20 posted on 11/13/2007 7:29:12 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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