Posted on 11/12/2007 3:53:44 PM PST by mdittmar
UFOs may be fodder for comedians and science fiction but there was no joking Monday when a group of pilots and officials demanded the US government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects.
The 19 former pilots and government officials, who say they have seen UFOs themselves or been involved in probes of strange flying objects, told reporters their questions can no longer be dismissed more than 30 years after the US case was closed.
"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO himself in 1997.
"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington told a news conference.
Symington read an appeal on behalf of the group of who came to Washington to recount their sightings of UFOs.
"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," the statement said.
The group included a retired pilot from Air France who said he saw an enormous flying disc during a flight from Nice to London in 1994, an Iranian pilot who tried in vain to fire on a UFO in 1976 and a former US official from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) who claims a probe into a UFO seen over Alaska in 1987 was squelched.
"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," Symington said.
"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO.'"
When Symington suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic.'"
The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he saw a UFO.
Skeptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.
Which is it Kev?
***Gunnie, is your first name Kevin or somesuch thing?
Now, using your brand of reasoning, you would say “prove that all whales live in the sea”. That is a fallacious argument as anyone can plainly see.
It is not my job to provide evidence that there are no land whales, it is your job to provide evidence of their existence if you wish to dispute the matter.
***Good points. Worth keeping for future reference.
GunRunner: I do not believe in anything for which there is no evidence.
Dragnet: Do ya believe in God?
***If you want to walk through that evidence, I can do that for you on another thread. But, once again, it would require some reading on your part. It would be another exercise in inductive logic.
You mean like the Gulf Breeze sightings? Or are you claiming that I said I had evidence against every single UFO sighting in history? lol
If that's what you meant, I'll get right on it, right after I disprove leprechauns, the tooth fairy, and the boogeyman.
No, I think he's confusing me with you.
3. I say and have expected for many decades that ET’s are going to be involved more and more overtly in what the Bible calls THE GREAT DECEPTION of the END TIMES. I think they will offer supposed 3D holographic supposedly historical videos purportedly calling into question Christ’s deity.
***Here we may have some common ground. I too have a fear that humanoids from flying saucers may some day use all this technology for such a thing. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. However, I believe the humanoids in the flying saucers will be regular men from Earth, possibly posing as ET’s. What comes to mind is Montezuma vs. Cortez. Cortez figured out that they thought he was a god and he consequently made sure never to dismount his horse in the presence of an Aztec.
No, I think he’s confusing me with you.
***I think so as well.
To Dragnet: Clarification, please.
They are! The aliens are the reason the government won't build the wall to keep them out!
Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Here is what you stated in 210.
Unlike the UFO question, where there is evidence against alien origin, yet none supporting it.
210 posted on 11/14/2007 10:18:34 AM PST by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 209 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]
Could you explain? Are you saying there is evidence against 1 sighting, 10 percent, 99 percent.
Remember what I said about you talking in circles?
What exactly do you mean. All? Some? None?
What are you taking about in regards to evidence?
Thanks.
Thanks for your comments and insights.
Damn right,they’re not funny!Those anal probes gotta hurt!
When ya reach about 50, you'll find out.
I cannot go that far, as historically the Nephilim/Grigori are giants, but I would suppose a demonic influence of some sort.
I have often pondered the seeming evolution of the craft. And the fact that SOME percentage of craft DO seem to be living organisms . . . from a spirit dimension?
Perhaps Cherubim of one alignment or another... I am not sold on inter-dimensional travel- in fact, I would suspect that obtaining the ability of inter-dimensional travel is the motive behind the technology being created. The fallen are trapped here, either on (or within) the earth, or at the least within this physical plane, and unable to access heaven to continue their war against the House of the Most High.
AND a number of the ancient depictions DO depict MODERN STYLES. So, it’s not a consistent thing one way or the other.
I proposed a comparison of rather current history (1950 to today) quite purposefully. While I recognize the ancient depictions, I feel they are of little use in what we face today except as an example that the same evolution in material design has occurred in past attempts, a study of which may point the way toward what might soon appear as the current attempt plays out. An history literally repeating itself before our eyes.
Thx for the reply.
-Bruce
Hi Joya,
Thank you for your kind reply.
Please let me change my tune a bit. It is not my suggestion that technology is in and of itself evil. Our Father has made us wondrously, and a big part of all of us is the inquisitive and artistic- It is natural within us to figure thing out, to innovate. It is more the orchestration and direction of our invention that I accuse.
We suppose that one technological leap naturally leads to the next, but in the context of this thread, I believe that the bleeding edge of our technology is an orchestration. We are being lead toward some predetermined end that will not be to our liking. It is likely that end will come upon us unawares, blinded as we are by our own hubris.
As an aside, living like the Amish can be nothing but an admirable trait. I have lived something close to that lifestyle, and it is one I would much prefer. Our conveniences are not what they seem, often causing complications that defeat the reason for the convenience in the first place.
It is an oddity of our existence that we do for fun those things we used to do for survival- Foregoing those fun necessities for the nine-to-five grind in order to pay for the conveniences that keep us enslaved. It is so silly.
Your perspective is plausible about Nephilium . . .
However, I don’t think Scripture was near exhaustive in describing such critters. How can we know?
I think Guy Malone’s DVD’s BTW are quite worth the time.
rushing along
What are you taking about in regards to evidence?
No reasonable person could possibly assume that I was implying that I had evidence debunking every individual UFO sighting in history.
The evidence I was referring to are the many cases of UFO sightings being proven to be non-alien in origin; either hoaxes, misidentified earthly phenomena, or other aircraft.
Here's the contrast:
The burden of proof on a skeptic is to provide proof of hoaxes and false sightings, which has been done many hundreds of times over, versus the UFO believers, who have no evidence whatsoever that UFO are alien craft.
Right up your alley ping!
It’s not even “new” technology. Check:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/science/article2284349.ece
Then take a look at:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerogel
Then google on “Victalen” which will take you back to Wikipedia where it is written that “Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities a special armor called Victalen was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft.” Victalen was invented in the 1930’s. What was old is new again. It’s pretty obvious that the so called UFO’s are experimental military aircraft based upon work expropriated from the Germans after WWII. It’s probable that the U.S., the Brits and the Russians got bits and pieces of this technology and have been using it ever since. It’s also most likely that the Roswell incident was a crash of one of these early prototypes.
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