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“Conservative is identified with a sensibility,” Stanford University linguist Geoffrey Nunberg said.

If you can't figure out why, you just might be a liberal.

1 posted on 11/12/2007 7:38:21 AM PST by freespirited
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“I prefer the word ‘progressive,’”

A turd by any other name...

2 posted on 11/12/2007 7:40:47 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. "What happens if neutrinos have mass?")
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To: freespirited
“'Liberal' has taken on a connotation that “describes big government." Clinton said,“I prefer the word ‘progressive,’"

Which means really big government!

3 posted on 11/12/2007 7:42:14 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Liberal, progressive, socialist, marxist. It all means the same thing to Hillary. She wants your stuff.


4 posted on 11/12/2007 7:42:58 AM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: freespirited
Liberalism stands for socialism, nannyism, high taxes and government control. And for breakdown of social order, family, faith and traditional values. Americans know what liberals are and that's why there are so few of them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 11/12/2007 7:45:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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My definition of progressive, when concerning me, is that as of typing this, I don’t own a firearm. I will own one. Being progressive, I’ll own more than one. Why, I might even own one that could kill a rabbit!


8 posted on 11/12/2007 7:46:41 AM PST by wastedyears (One Marine vs. 550 consultants. Sounds like good odds to me.)
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Just noticed that George Lakoff (rhymes with) was a big contributor to this article.

Yeah, George Lakoff who blatantly trains his SS (secular socialist) squads that they cannot debate “progressivism” in the terms of the real world, but must always “frame” the debate in their own terms (ie, in a world where the sky is pink) in order to argue.


9 posted on 11/12/2007 7:48:18 AM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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I believe Hillary recently came out in support of the gas milage achieved by the old Model T Ford (I'm not making this up) and she wants new cars to be just as good as that.

So -- Progressives are the people who want our cars to be just like the cars from 1917.

13 posted on 11/12/2007 7:51:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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“Even ascendant Dems wary of ‘liberal’ label “

Of course.
That’s part of their plan to FAKE their way into possession of The White
House, Senate and House.
By pretending to be sane, resonable human beings until the Wed
after the Nov. 2008 election.

Actually I’m pleased with Hillary calling herself a “progressive”.
Even O’Reilly slams “secular progressives” on his show; hence her
choice of label wasn’t the swiftest move HILLARY! has made.


14 posted on 11/12/2007 7:52:48 AM PST by VOA
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Its interesting there are MORE conservatives than Republicans. It says that while the American people don't trust the GOP to be a small government party, they have not turned their backs on conservatism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 11/12/2007 7:53:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Throughout much of the 20th century the term "progressive" was code for a fellow traveler to the communist cause. Because the MSM commands the language they are now trying to convince us that the term is benign. Go back and read papers from the 30's onward and you will see that progressive was a self described term among leftists, when they really meant communist, but weren't willing to publicly describe themselves as such. We should call these people what they really are, communists, just as they were in much of the 20th century.



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17 posted on 11/12/2007 8:03:16 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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“The self destruction of Republicans has obviated them to come up with the need for more of a party identity.”

English as a second language.

18 posted on 11/12/2007 8:05:09 AM PST by hsalaw
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“I prefer the word ‘progressive,’” she said. It has a “real American meaning.”

Then she expanded the term to “modern progressive,” and, finally, clarified that she was a “modern American progressive.”

Progressive = Liberal
Modern Progressive = Liberal
Modern American Progressive = Increasingly tedious liberal

19 posted on 11/12/2007 8:07:19 AM PST by kidd
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Progressive. How quaint.

Free love/AIDS/Abortion; The Drug Culture; The Breakdown of the Family; The Establishment of a Permanent Poor; The Marginalizing of Christianity; The first American “loss” of a war...

The people aren’ t “progressive.” They promote “regressive” behavior.


20 posted on 11/12/2007 8:07:51 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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Someone calls themselves “Progressive”, I don’t call them a Liberal...I call them what they are: A “Back Door” Communist.


22 posted on 11/12/2007 8:17:05 AM PST by DGHoodini (The Dems no longer have the humanity to grasp that there are things worth dying for.)
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What this survey shows is that a true conservative has the best chance of winning. RINOs need not apply.


23 posted on 11/12/2007 8:33:19 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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Hillary Rodham Clinton was asked this summer if she would describe herself as a “liberal.” “I prefer the word ‘progressive,’” she said. It has a “real American meaning.” Then she expanded the term to “modern progressive,” and, finally, clarified that she was a “modern American progressive....

Excellent move Hill.

Go ahead with the "progressive" label and add any qualifiers to it you wish. However, don't forget - smartest woman in the world - that for those in the know, "Progressives" are and forever will be linked with and tied at the hip to COMMUNISTS and the CPUSA.

Progressive/Communists goes back much further than Henry Wallace and the 1948 Election sweets where the CPUSA endorsed him -- and you know it, ms 'smartest woman'. So I'm glad you're coming out of the closet and finally outing yourself as a COMMUNIST.

Now how about that other 'thing' in your closet everyone is wondering about???

The anti war (pro USSR) Platform of the 1948 Progressive (commie) Party is almost IDENTICAL to the trip spewed by today's 'Surrendercrats' regarding the Iraq War and the WOT.

26 posted on 11/12/2007 8:42:35 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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“Progressive” polls with focuas groups much better than “Liberal” does...

You’ll take note of the “Pro-Con” commercials being run by The Center For American Progress (Clinton-Soros) to attempt to push this “Redesignation”.


27 posted on 11/12/2007 9:00:26 AM PST by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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“But they don’t adopt progressive in a serious way because they don’t know how to say what progressive means.”

It's not that they don't know how - it's that they don't dare.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name ‘liberalism’ they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”

Norman Thomas, co-founder of the American Civil Liberties Union

The aims, the goals of the Gramscian totalitarian Left have never changed. Those aims are merely re-packaged in innocuous and diseingenuous language. If the American public truly understood what those aims are, if the American public had any sense of the historical outcomes such aims and ideas - mass murder, poverty and misery - it would be the ideology of the Left, not Christianity that would be driven form the public square.

Personally, I favor public hanging for anyone who wants to 'take things from me' for the 'common good.' But that's just me.

28 posted on 11/12/2007 9:08:41 AM PST by Noumenon ("A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Reagan)
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Actually, “liberal” has a respectable history, compared to “progresssive.” It originally meant those who believe in freedom, whereas “progressive” means those who believe in Utopian or Marxist ideas of progress.

Historically, Progressive is way, way to the left of Liberal. It does, in fact, fit hillary very well, because she is an old-line Marxist of the worst kind.

The reason why people may not flinch at the word “progressive” the way they do at “liberal” is that the word hasn’t been much used since the days of the Hitler-Stalin pact, because by that time it had become a dirty word.

Several hundred million people died over the course of the twentieth century, due to the evil programs of progressives.


30 posted on 11/12/2007 9:19:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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At a recent Republican debate, Rudy Giuliani referred to himself as a “conservative

There are lies and there are damn lies.

Seems RINO Rudy also won't admit to being a liberal.
He in fact tells a bigger whopper than Comrade Hillarys labeling of herself as "progressive."
The CommieRAT MSM, which tryed to get away with labeling Rino Rudy as "moderate," doesn't even match RinoRudy in the liar competition.

31 posted on 11/12/2007 9:37:26 AM PST by ASA Vet
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