Posted on 11/06/2007 6:38:16 PM PST by Phil Harmonic
BOSTON - A liar. A traitor. Hanoi John.
U.S. Sen. John Kerry’s comments on Monday regarding a possible future bid for the presidency, and his arming up against the group Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, are reopening old wounds from the Vietnam War and the 2004 presidential race.
``He’s a liar,'' said J. Craig Herman of Pahoa, Hawaii, a former U.S. naval officer and registered Republican. ``Real heroes and real Navy officers do not not waltz around with a ... camera taking pictures of themselves on duty.''
While some veterans question Kerry’s military decorations and fault his subsequent actions as a anti-Vietnam War protester, other others say they just never warmed to the Massachusetts Democrat’s personal style.
``There’s something weasely about him,'' said Elliot Olson, a self-described independent voter from Minneapolis. ``You can compare him to Bill Clinton, but with Clinton you know what you’re getting.''
The 63-year-old Kerry said Monday that he might run for president again, perhaps in 2012. He also said he has compiled a dossier on his critics at Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that dogged Kerry in the 2004 race.
The comments, reprinted on political blogs including drudgereport.com, opinionjournal.com and lucianne.com, prompted hundreds of e-mails critical of the Vietnam veteran turned war protestor turned politician.
(Excerpt) Read more at ledger.southofboston.com ...
It wouldn't surprise me that he didn't tick off some YN and he purposely did that.
Granted the Officers may be handled differently than us Enlisted types but in this type of paper work, I doubt it.
BUMP 28
That testimony had ZERO to do with the Swift Boat vets.
I did not know this, thanks. What a slime ball.
I'm unsure how you arrive at this conclusion. Here's a link to the DD214 on Kerry's website from the web archives. Unless I'm missing it somewhere, the actual date of its composition doesn't appear to be included in a DD214.
Can you help me out here?
‘The 63-year-old Kerry said Monday that he might run for president again, perhaps in 2012.’
(chuckle)
Not happy alienating half the country, Kerry - by making a inadvertent prediction of failure in 08 by Dems - just pissed off another 20 percent or so on the Left that are paying attention.
Given the mistakes he keeps making, I now have a better understanding why he choose ‘marrying up’ as his primary professional occupation.....
“The form I’m talking about is 180 form to release his service records, we all got our dd214’s handed to us on the way out.”
Someone posted on another thread that Kerry distroyed his original 180. How would he be able to do that?? If he was able to alter a copy of his 180, wouldn’t there be a copy of the original somewhere?? I think there must be an original filed somewhere since he refuses to release his 180.
I meant to add that I thought the 180 was just a form to sign to have one’s records released. Someone please explain this to me. Can’t believe Kerry was able to destroy his military records. At least I hope not!!
Here's a start regarding the DD214. http://www.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15627
So let me get this straight - he is compiling dossiers on PRIVATE citizens who oppose his presidential candidacy? And is planning to use said dossiers against them?
And Richard Nixon was evil because........?
he’s simply testing the waters... and things do not look good... he won’t run for POTUS again...
I wish he would. I’d invite everybody over for buffalo wings and beer. Pop some corn, even.
What he thinks he knows is that the Clintoons sandbagged him in '04, so that Hillary could have a clear path in '08. I'm hoping he finds a way to do some payback next year!
I'm sorry but that's just not responsive to my question. Nevertheless, I would suggest that any allegation of a Kerry "less than honorable" discharge is, at this point, no more than unproven supposition.
While I'm not certain just where this line of inquiry "dead-ended", I believe that its continued viability was terminated by the inability of 2 individuals to speak, with first person knowledge, due to Privacy Act restrictions. For a good overview or a starting point on where this last left off, see "Beldar's" "Rumor mill buzzing on Kerry's discharge status" on Oct 29, 2004.
Good point. Between him and Kookcinich we make make a great 08 return.
Excellent point.........he drowned Mary Jo. Who is HE to talk.
Oh man, forget the buffalo wings - for these two I’ll barbeque....
Because he was an anti-Communist Republican.
Dossiers?
Great move Kerry. Don't fight with facts and sign full disclosure forms, just sling mud and call names.
Dan Rather was recently in Texas. Perhaps he was at Kinkos putting dossiers together for Kerry.
I thought you wanted to research the issue, which is why I gave you the link. I spent hundreds of hours at the SBVPOWFT discussion forum in 2004, and I promise you that there is a great deal of factual information available to the seeker.
Of course it's unproven supposition, and "Hanoi" John could have cleared up everything had he simpily signed the 180, made it unredacted, available to everyone, and issued it to the National Records Archive in St. Louis, MO like everyone was asking him to do, instead of issuing a 180 to the Navy, available only to two friendly reporters. The simple fact that he had the chance to shut everyone up, and he chose to play his cards against his chest, causes me to believe that he's hiding something that would be damning to his cause.
It's a proven fact, by his own testimony before the Senate, that Hanoi John met secretly with the Viet Cong in France during the Vietnam war. For ANY citizen that was an illegal act. And for someone who's still in the Naval reserves, it goes against the UCMJ. Had Kerry already been given a DD214 at that time, or was he subject to the UCMJ? Hmm. I'd like to know, and Hanoi John doesn't want me to know.
Occam's razor indicates to me that he's either hiding a less than honorable DD214 or he's hiding the fact that he met with the enemy before he got a DD214.
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