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Police Call Terrorizing Incident Hate Crime
WMTW.com ^ | Nov. 6, 2007 | WMTW

Posted on 11/06/2007 10:17:20 AM PST by como_1996

WATERVILLE, Maine -- Police said a white man's verbal assaults on a black man last month amounted to a hate crime.

According to police, Ralph Taylor pointed to his "white power" tattoo while taunting the black man on Oct. 20 and 21. The tattoo featured dual lightning bolts, a symbol associated with Adolf Hitler's SS corps.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: culture; hatecrime; maine; victimculture
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To: rockabyebaby

Here’s another example of a hate crime and not a hate crime, and the reason why.

When a white person assaults (or even wins an argument with) a black person, it’s automatically a hate crime instead of a fist fight.

When 6 black men beat down a white person while shouting “Kill Whitey”, it’s not a hate crime, because they “lack the power to enforce their hatred”.


41 posted on 11/06/2007 12:38:30 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: como_1996

Now a person can go to jail when there is no assault. Just your words put you in jail. It didn’t take long from the time when “hate crime” laws were passed to get to this. Now the liberals are happy because that’s what they wanted in the first place.


42 posted on 11/06/2007 12:38:44 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Solitar
And when four black guys rape and then murder a white couple, that is no hate crime??

Um, no, that's not a hate crime,,,that's just poor angry black youths with no dad in the home, it's not their fault, they are a victim of society, if they were paid reparations this would not have happened....../sarcasm OFF.....

43 posted on 11/06/2007 12:39:37 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: MrB

It’s pathetic isn’t it?


44 posted on 11/06/2007 12:40:42 PM PST by rockabyebaby (HEY JORGE, SHUT UP AND BUILD THE BLEEPING FENCE, ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS.)
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To: rockabyebaby

Besides, the left would tell you that the 4 rapists “lacked the power to enforce their hatred and bigotry” and therefore could not even be racist, let alone commit a hate crime.


45 posted on 11/06/2007 12:40:56 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: como_1996
I hate cops like that!

oops

46 posted on 11/06/2007 12:46:04 PM PST by woollyone (tazers...the 21st century version of the rusty bed frame, car battery, & clamps)
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To: como_1996; pandoraou812
hate crimes = thought crimes = 1984

Somebody tell me what the difference is!?!

47 posted on 11/06/2007 1:06:23 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Little Ray

You are right.


48 posted on 11/06/2007 1:14:55 PM PST by tioga
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To: Little Ray
"assault” can happen if you make the “victim” “feel” threatened

In most states, you need "an imminent threat of physical harm that is reasonable from the circumstances" (or something similar).

Pointing to a tattoo does nothing to make a reasonable person think that a weapon will be imminently produced and used...

Only liberal psychosis can make that leap. "He's pale, and has politically incorrect body modifications! He must be about to attack, because a person with a high melanin content is nearby! Run! Aiiigghh!"

49 posted on 11/06/2007 1:21:51 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

Taunting someone and pointing to your White Power/SS tattoo, can amount to an “an imminent threat” against black, especially if he’s outnumbered by like-minded thugs. It sure sounds like the potential start of an attack - you know the idiot is working himself and his buds up to the attack.

Personally, I don’t like the hate crime part, but I might support assault.


50 posted on 11/06/2007 1:43:19 PM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: seoul62
Where does this hateful ignorant racism come from?

The sinful nature of mankind as a whole.

51 posted on 11/06/2007 1:57:42 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Little Ray

You sound like an f’ing liberal on this one. I have been taunted by folks from other races. Calling the cops to say that they hurt my feelings was the last thing on my mind.


52 posted on 11/06/2007 2:01:37 PM PST by ohioman
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To: MEGoody

Is it not taught at home? I mean the ugly individuals that spouted those ugly words to my mother and younger sister are they not products of their own environment? It starts from tame condescending remarks: do you speak english? to the uglier: gook, chink, jap and go back where you came from. These neanderthals need an island all to themselves, where they can project on the one functioning brain cell that they have left./Just Asking - seoul62........


53 posted on 11/06/2007 2:53:20 PM PST by seoul62 (e)
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To: VRWCmember

That only applies to the rights of the state governments to say things not the people themselves.................................

Eminatin pnumbras and all that...........


54 posted on 11/06/2007 8:12:21 PM PST by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: tracer
From Miranda warning: “If you are unable to afford an attorney, one will be appointed to defend you”....

That effectively means "If you have no job, no assets, and no money, then maybe you qualify. If you have a job, then tough, get a loan and pay your own". they do not care if you go bankrupt

55 posted on 11/07/2007 5:56:32 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: seoul62
Is it not taught at home?

Yes, by fallen, sinful parents. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Doesn't excuse the behavior of course. We are all called to repent of whatever sins beset us.

56 posted on 11/07/2007 6:32:43 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Little Ray
Taunting someone and pointing to your White Power/SS tattoo, can amount to an “an imminent threat” against black,

No, not really. It seems far more like taunting to me. From my experience, if one is about to get into a brawl, one does not get prepped by pointing to tattoos. One looks for weapons or advantageous locations, or gets in the targets face, or starts yelling and making a spectacle... pointing to tattoos seems far more like showing off and mockery than creating an imminent threat of physical harm... but then again, in our ever-more-wussified culture, I guess mocking by a non-PC person is tantamount to a criminal act. *sigh*

especially if he’s outnumbered by like-minded thugs.

Sure, that can change things... but nothing like that was mentioned in the article... and there's the pesky little fact that he was never actually attacked, so it sure seems like the imminent part is out.

It sure sounds like the potential start of an attack - you know the idiot is working himself and his buds up to the attack.

Ah, yes, the age old "you know he wanted to" assumption, that has no basis in reality, only in fear and hyperbole. Great basis for a legal claim, that. (Sadly, it works on far too many juries, who feel rather than think their way through issues.)

57 posted on 11/07/2007 7:15:21 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
I don’t know. I suspect it was more like “Me an my neo-Nazi buddies are gonna kill all you *censored*.” “You gonna die, *censored*.” Etc.

And, as I said before, you don’t need a physical attack for it to be an assault.

My only disagreement is with the “hate crimes” part; I don’t believe in criminalizing thought. I’m perfectly willing to let a jury resolve the assault question.

58 posted on 11/07/2007 11:47:10 AM PST by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: como_1996

“Police Say Man’s Verbal Assaults Amounted to a Hate Crime.” was not the title at the source.

Please do not alter titles of any published material. Just use the original title.

Thanks.


59 posted on 11/07/2007 3:06:28 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: como_1996

Hate is not against the law. Hate speech is not against the law. See US Constitution, Amendment 1.

Oh, I forgot, hate crimes supercede the constitution.


60 posted on 11/07/2007 3:09:03 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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