Posted on 11/04/2007 8:59:54 PM PST by Maynerd
People of Britain: congratulations are in order. You have now joined ferret owners, sidewalk artists, publicly funded attorneys for poor people, low-income community college students, museum curators, a couple of innocent black men shot dead by the police, the sections of the New York City charter governing rules of succession to the mayoralty and, of course, Hillary Clinton, as objects of Rudy Giuliani's demagoguery and wrath.
You may by now have heard the story. In a radio ad . . .Giuliani tells listeners that he was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2000 and goes on to say: "My chance of surviving cancer - and thank God I was cured of it - in the United States: 82%. My chances of surviving prostate cancer in England: only 44% under socialised medicine."
The numbers are false. The actual five-year survival rate in Britain is 74%, which is still lower than America's, but obviously high enough for the figure not to have constituted fodder for a campaign commercial. . .
It turned out that Giuliani's numbers were from a seven-year-old article in a conservative policy journal. The article was written by his own healthcare policy adviser, who admitted that his comparison was a "crude" interpretation of a study by a respected health policy group. . .
I know the form all too well. I covered Giuliani for a dozen years in New York (. . . I'm as American as a Ford F-150).
The man lies with staggering impunity. But here's the thing: he does it with such conviction and such seeming authority that people who are not inclined to study the matter will believe him - will in fact be utterly convinced that Giuliani is speaking the gospel truth, and they will prove almost impossible to shake from this conviction. . .
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
Felt safe skipping after that retarded headline.
Bush's most intelligent critics (there are some) never fall for that BS about Bush's supposed lack of intelligence.
Ah, the obligatory lib qualifier.
Just appealing to British public opinion, most likely.
From the doctor, David Gratzer, who Giuliani quoted from:
“The percentage of people diagnosed with prostate cancer who die from it is much higher in Britain than in the United States. The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development reports on both the incidence of prostate cancer in member nations and the number of resultant deaths. According to OECD data published in 2000, 49 Britons per 100,000 were diagnosed with prostate cancer, and 28 per 100,000 died of it. This means that 57 percent of Britons diagnosed with prostate cancer died of it; and, consequently, that just 43 percent survived. Economist John Goodman, in Lives at Risk, arrives at precisely the same conclusion: “In the United States, slightly less than one in five people diagnosed with prostate cancer dies of the disease. In the United Kingdom, 57 percent die.” None of this is surprising: in the UK, only about 40 percent of cancer patients see an oncologist, and historically, the government has been reluctant to fund new (and often better) cancer drugs.”
Rudy’s telling the truth on this one. But the Left howls anyway.
right.. F-150 without the gun rack, im assuming
The money that should go for the treatment of its citizens goes for the support of that bureaucracy which is driving medicine in the UK to the Dark Ages.
Awesome! I may not like Rudy, but I like the fact that he can campaign as dirty as the rats. Who can ever forget the rats snip and paste against Newt where they made it sound like Newt was going to end Medicare? Then there’s the “black churches will burn,” Republicans want old people to eat dog food, voting for Bush is like dragging blacks on chains behind pickup trucks, etc., etc.
It’s nice to see the scumbag rats get a taste of their own medicine. Now if only the GOP would have the same guts, I might think about opening up my checkbook again.
The Left always considers Bill Clinton the smartest president ever (well, perhaps after JFK). BJ Clinton kept telling the Dims: don’t ever underestimate George W Bush!
Here’s more from a British study:
The American five-year survival rate for prostate cancer is 99 percent, the European average is 78 percent, and the Scottish and Welsh rate is close to 71 percent. (English data were incomplete.)
For the 16 different types of cancer examined in the study, American men have a five-year survival rate of 66 percent, compared with only 47 percent for European men. Among European countries, only Sweden has an overall survival rate for men of more than 60 percent.
American women have a 63 percent chance of living at least five years after a cancer diagnosis, compared with 56 percent for European women. For women, only five European countries have an overall survival rate of more than 60 percent.
"blue dress democrats" - that is a keeper!
You can judge a man by the enemies he makes...
“Just appealing to British public opinion, most likely.”
The Guardian is the NYT fish wrap of the UK..barely good enough for the bird cage.
82% v 74%. For the other 8% who died, they might find the figure significant.
This just cracks me up.
They blame Rudy for using numbers from 7 years ago in saying that his chances of survival were higher here in the US than they would have been in the UK under socialized medicine.
Heaven forbid that the naysayers reflect on the fact (as mentioned in the article) that Rudy was diagnosed in 2000... 7 years ago!
Hmm... you’d think they were intentionally trying to smear him or something.
Islamic head-choppers are simply expressing their justified anger at the evil West. The communiste Soviet Union was misunderstood and besides there was convergence between the USSR and the West.
For someone to be called demagogic and dangerous by the Guardian can only mean one thing, that person has expressed conservative ideas.
It is fun watching the left go after someone who dares stray from their orthodoxy.
Giuliani prostrate bkmark
For example libs said Reagan was Evil, Stupid, Lazy, and Nuts thus proving he was our most effective leader. GHW Bush was stupid, Quayle was stupid, Dole was lazy, GW Bush is stupid, evil and lazy (all that time at the ranch), Cheney is evil, etc. In the current election Fred Thompson is lazy, Rudy is evil and if McCain doesnt drop out he will be said to be nuts. Mitt? Can't call him stupid or lazy, and the evil family man moron is hard to sell so I don't know where they'll go there but I have to guess they'll try nuts (crazy Mormon).
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