Posted on 11/03/2007 7:44:49 PM PDT by 49th
The chicken egg has been prepped for surgery – a pea-size hole cut in the shell and covered with sticky tape. And now Hans Larsson, a McGill University researcher, removes it from the incubator, places it under a microscope and prepares to operate.
He gently peels off the tape and teases back the membranes that line the shell with tweezers. Through the eyepiece, he can see the tiny dot of a heart, steadily beating. He can also see the bud where he implants a milky bead doused in a protein. He hopes it will coax the embryo to grow a big tail. A dinosaur-like tail.
paleontologist, Prof. Larsson spends a significant portion of his time doing traditional dinosaur hunting, digging fossils as far afield as the Arctic and Africa with jackhammers and pickaxes. But he has long been frustrated with the limitations of studying old bones and what they reveal about the mysteries of evolution.
It was by examining ancient skeletons that paleontologists learned that modern birds, including chickens, descended from dinosaurs and that their relatives include such fierce predators as Tyrannosaurus rex. What fossils don't reveal, though, is how exactly such dramatic anatomical changes first arose. How did teeth the size of bananas turn into beaks? Or mighty tails become wimpy, feathered stumps?
For answers, Prof. Larsson has turned to the burgeoning field of evo-devo – or evolutionary developmental biology – a radical new approach to understanding the past.
It is based on the astonishing discovery that modern animals, including humans, share many of the same body-building genes and that some of these genes have been around for millions of years.
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Brilliant logic. Now we know of (thanks to scientists) more than 250 different planets outside our solar system. We know little about any of them. Yet you're prepared to say declaritively, knowing nothing, that none of them harbor life? That's kind of silly.
You know, I've read the Bible from Genesis to Revelations, and don't recall God providing a date for Creation. Is it in a section I missed? Please advise!
Check with gracesdad. I think he is in the process of figuring it out. By the way, I don't recall any dates for darwinian creation. Must have missed it in the millions and billions of years.
Well see, that's the thing. There's lots of stuff that exists in the universe that isn't explicitly mentioned in the Bible. I don't recall much mention of American Indians, for example, nor do I recall any mention of Schwarzschild singularities or atomic physics or the germ theory of disease either. I read the Bible, I study the Bible, I gain much from the Bible. But the Bible isn't everything work knowing. If it were, we wouldn't have cars, planes, antibiotics, representative democracy or have discovered the New World... because none of that is in the Bible.
“You seem to have all the answers. Open the Bible and figure it out. Does somebody have to do all your work for you?”
I have the answers? Not me. You said it’s 10,000 years. I didn’t. I’ve opened the Bible and I don’t find a number of years.
But creation IS in the Bible. Get it?
Fancy that. Open any book on evolution and all you get is millions and billions of years. Any date that happens to be mentioned is all conjecture. Your guess is as good as the guy's next to you. And you believe this poppycock?
Oh, but it is the only thing worth knowing because it has the answer to life, Eternal Life.
So is it 10,000 or 6,000? Where in the Bible does it say?
“Check with gracesdad. I think he is in the process of figuring it out. By the way, I don’t recall any dates for darwinian creation. Must have missed it in the millions and billions of years.”
You know it’s a good idea to include me in any post where you say something about me.
So where does the Bible tell us how old the Earth is?
I thought over at DC Central you were all attached at the hip.
You having a hard time finding the age of the earth in the Bible? Come on, anyone who deals in millions and billions of years should be able to arrive at a few thousand, don't you think?
On the outside chance that your's is a serious question:
Pre-Flood
1) Genesis 1: Man (Adam) was created on Day 6 of the Creation.
2) Genesis 5: At the age of 130 years, Adam 'begat' and named his son Seth. Adam lived a total of 930 years.
3) Genesis 5: At the age of 105 years, Seth begat Enos. Seth lived a total of 912 years.
4) Genesis 5: At the age of 90 years, Enos begat Cainan. Enos lived a total of 905 years.
5) Genesis 5: At the age of 79 years, Cainan begat Mahalaleel. Cainan lived a total of 910 years.
6) Genesis 5: At the age of 65 years, Mahalaleel begat Jared. Mahalaleel lived a total of 895 years.
7) Genesis 5: At the age of 162 years, Jared begat Enoch. Jared lived a total of 962 years
8) Genesis 5: At the age of 65 years Enoch begat Methuselah. At the age of 365 years Enoch 'walked with God'.
9) Genesis 5: At the age of 187, Methuselah begat Lamech. Methuselah lived a total of 969 years.
10) Genesis 5: At the age of 182 years old Lamech begat a son, a called is name Noah. Lamech lived a total of 777 years.
11) Genesis 9 and 11: It can be inferred that Noah begat his son, Shem, at the age of 502 years (98 years before the Flood). Noah lived a total of 950 years.
Post-Flood
12) Genesis 11: At the age of 100, Shem begat Arphaxad (2 years after the Flood). Shem lived a total of 600 years.
13)Genesis 11: At the age of 35, Arphaxad begat Salah. Arphaxad lived 438 years.
14) Genesis 11: At the age of 30, Salah begat Eber. Salah lived 433 years.
15) Genesis 11: At the age of 34, Eber begat Peleg. Eber lived a total of 464 years.
16) Genesis 11: At the age of 30, Peleg begat Reu. Peleg lived 239 years.
17) Genesis 11: Reu lived 32 years and begat Serug. Reu lived 239 years.
18) Genesis 11: At the age of 30, Serug begat Nahor. Serug lived 230 years.
19) Genesis 11: At the age of 29, Nahor begat Terah. Nahor lived 148 years.
20) Genesis 11: At the age of 30, Terah begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. Terah lived 205 years.
21) Genesis 17: At the age of 99 years, God changed Abram's name to Abraham. Genesis 21: At the age of 100 years, the promised son, Isaac, was born to Abraham. Genesis 25: Abraham lived 175 years.
22) Genesis 25: At the age of 60, Isaac's sons Jacob and Esau were born. Isaac lived 180 years.
23) Genesis 29: Levi was born to Jacob. Genesis 49: Jacob (Israel) lived 147 years.
24) Exodus 6: Levi lived 137 years. He had a son, Kohath, who lived 133 years. Kohath had a son, Amram, who lived 137 years. And Amram had sons Aaron and Moses.
And to streamline things at this point, Moses was born ~1571 BC.
Thus the Bible, God's Word, takes attention to lay out a continuous generational line from Adam (who was created by God on the 6th day of the Creation week) to times that we can date with secular history (e.g., Babylon's destruction of Jerusalem). The 'gray' area is whether some of the 'begats' are merely generational markers (e.g., the 'Seth era' lasts 912 years, and is then followed by the 'Enos era' that lasts 905 years, etc), or actual father-son relationships, or a combination of the same. If the former, you get an earth dated to ~11,000 BC, if the second, you get the ~4000 BC date (derived by Bishop Ussher, Isaac Newton, Johan Kepler, etc), and if the latter, something in between.
Hope this was useful.
Now if only he could put together a like geneology that is broken down by hundreds of years.
My pleasure.
Sort-of. The fact that creation occurred is mentioned, but Genesis never gets around to mentioning how it happened.
How did he do it? By his Word. If He had wanted or thought we needed more He would have told us. His Word is good enough for me.
Genesis 1 1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. 6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. 9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13And the evening and the morning were the third day. 14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. 20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. 24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
If He didn't want us to learn, He wouldn't have given us brains. You sound like one of those 19th century types who said "If God had wanted man to fly, He would have given him wings." That's not a theology, that's Luddism masquerading as theology.
How can you have any appreciation for the majesty of God if you refuse to study His creation?
You've said that before and I'm sure you'll say that again, but you were wrong the first time you said it and you're wrong now.
So let me get this straight. There's no chronology anywhere in the Bible, but you're inferring one by making a whole host of dubious suppositions (like the age at which Noah "begat" Shem), and yet it's scientists who are on thin ice for making too many assumptions?
Rolls eyes....
There are literally hundreds of independent unrelated tests in fields ranging from astronomy to geology that all indicate an old earth... and yet you're willing to put up with this crap? In Bishop Ussher's day this was tolerable, but to believe this now is to wallow in self-inflicted ignorance.
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