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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I certainly don’t agree with Rudy G on everything, but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare. He cleaned up NYC when many said it was lost to crime. He’s a prosecutor’s prosecutor. I think he might be another Teddy Roosevelt.

And he sure is better than Hitlery.


5 posted on 11/03/2007 5:22:19 AM PDT by kjo
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To: kjo
Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare.

Rudy Giuliani is a short, bald, effeminate, weird New York City lawyer who speaks with a lisp and has probably never made a fist in his life.

He couldn't lead anyone out of a burning house, let alone lead a nation.

10 posted on 11/03/2007 5:29:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: kjo
but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

Are you actually asking us to deal with these things, or accept them?

If it's the latter, then I'll start wondering how you managed to keep your account alive for two years.

APf

14 posted on 11/03/2007 5:44:31 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: kjo
Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare.

He would do a poor job defending the country. The WOT is not just occurring in Afghanistan and Iraq. It is a global problem including along our borders. It is a fact terrorists are posing as illegal immigrants to enter the country and attack us from within. Despite this fact Giuliani supports granting amnesty for illegal aliens. He has gone to the extreme of making NYC a sanctuary city! This is incomprehensible after 9/11.

And he sure is better than Hitlery.

He's as much a socialist as Hitlery.
16 posted on 11/03/2007 5:46:45 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: kjo

He may be better than Mrs. Bill but he cannot win against Mrs. bill. He is the one guy the Republican party has who will guarantee a Mrs. Clinton victory.


23 posted on 11/03/2007 6:10:23 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: kjo

“I certainly don’t agree with Rudy G on everything, but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.”

I don’t think you get it. The gay activists are not all about ensuring that they are tolerated. They are all about forcing you and everyone else positively to approve of their behavior. As long as anyone anywhere continues to say that their acts are disordered or immoral, that there’s something disordered about the inclination, that person has to be silenced. Actually it goes farther than that, that person must be made to affirm them in their behavior as perfectly normal. They will not stop short of that. They will first try to convince people who don’t care much one way or the other (like you, perhaps) that it’s “no big deal.” They’ve pretty much managed that already. Then they go after the hold-outs—the “social conservatives,” nearly all of them religiously conservative. These people are now the object of hate crime legislation and the sort of regulations (enforced by bureaucrats unaccountable to the voters) being passed in California that forbid you and me to refer to “mom and dad” families as if they were the norm.

Don’t you get it? This is not a matter of indifference. It will come around to bite all of us sooner or later and the bite has begun. Unless you positively affirm that Heather’s having two mommies is just as normal as Ozzie and Harriet, you are a criminal. That’s where it’s headed. And you tell us to “deal with it.” Get your head out of the sand and wake up.

And abortion likewise will come to bite you in the butt. Already a Northwestern University law professor has argued that, since it’s foolish to claim that the unborn child, even at the earliest stages, is not a human being, one has to admit that it has interests that conflict with the mother’s interests IF the mother didn’t want to be pregnant. It then becomes not an innocent but a guilty human being invading her privacy because she did not want it. By the right of self-defense, she may kill it. Moreover, because the state is obligated to help all of us defend ourselves, if the woman needs help from the state to kill the unwanted unborn child, she has a right to state help (state-funding). Notice that the only thing that turns an innocent human baby (a wanted pregnancy) into a guilty privacy-invading human baby is the woman’s sheer will to be pregnant or not to be pregnant. By that reasoning, my will alone can turn a person who’s “in my space” into a guilty offender whom I may legitimately kill, not because of some specific criminal act he may have done (breaking and entering) but just because I don’t like him, don’t want him in my space. Sort of in the way Hitler didn’t want Jews “in his space.”

Particularly the claim that state-funded abortion is a woman’s right by virtue of self-defense means that you can’t just sit idly by and think of abortion as “out there” for those who want to choose it. No, sooner or later you will be paying for it via your taxes, if the Julieannies and the Hillaries take power.

Finally, gun-grabbing is not just an indifferent thing out there that you can tell everyone to “deal with it.” When the hold-outs on homosexuality and abortion become small enough in number and have moved to relatively remote places to get away from the forced indoctrination and criminalization of their beliefs by schools and bureaucrats and governments, then the gay-green-choice choice fascists will surround them and crush them without a whimper because their guns have all been grabbed long ago.

Not that there’s anyway that we could defend ourselves over the long haul with the weapons available to us even if gun-grabbing laws were not on the books. But at least we could go down manfully. But no, the gun-grabbing laws Rudy loves will have long ago castrated us. All that will be left is to lie down and let the tanks roll over us.

Unless, of course, we don’t “just deal with it” but announce loud and long now, while there’s still time to avert a Julieannie nomination, that we won’t “just deal with it” but will oppose RudyGee and that he is unelectable because he is so out of touch with the base, because he “won’t just deal with” the fact that the grass-roots activism that created all of the Republican electoral victories of the past 30 years is pro-life, pro-heterosexual, and pro-gun-freedom.

No, Rudy’s the one who needs to “deal with it,” deal with us. So far all he’s done is jabbed his thumb in our eye to show how tough he is, tough especially in fishnets and high heals and lipstick.


28 posted on 11/03/2007 6:17:23 AM PDT by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: kjo

“Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.”

“I think he might be another Teddy Roosevelt.”

I find it incredible that you made these comments in the same post. Your grasp of history and historical personalities is laughable.

On another note. All other issues aside. There will be a shooting war if they ratchet up gun control. Put it in the bank.


38 posted on 11/03/2007 7:28:55 AM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: kjo
I agree. I am supporting FDT in the primaries but I will support the nominee in the general election.

However, I do not think that Giuliani is electable. He will split the party. Conservatives are not going to provide strong support for him. If conservatives support the nominee, he has a good chance in the general election.

FDT is the only candidate who can unite the party and win in November. Giuliani will split the party. Romney is not electable in November. The other candidates do not have a chance in November so they should drop out now. If anyone but FDT wins the nomination, we will be dealing with a committed Marxist and criminal for 8 years.

52 posted on 11/03/2007 8:08:44 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: kjo
"And he sure is better than Hitlery."

Not appreciably if you are conservative. At least not enough to bother to vote for one or the other if the non-choice is Rudy v. Hillary.

55 posted on 11/03/2007 8:15:39 AM PDT by penowa
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To: kjo

Yeah, he's just what we need.

56 posted on 11/03/2007 8:19:10 AM PDT by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: kjo
Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

I DON"T THINK SO,Buddy!

70 posted on 11/03/2007 8:56:24 AM PDT by painter (Oval Office, Fred. Might be something you ought to think about.)
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To: kjo

Agrre w/ kjo, people on this forum have no understanding of the balances one must present to the voting public, its a one way highway on here and I am as conservative as the next but I’m also a realist and want what is best for ALL peoples not just my own party, faction, ideology and so on..... relax people, you are making every effort to get Hillary elected that I can think of.

P.S. the fabrication in these articles about Rudy is also no better than the lame media that mis informs us on his beliefs and actions daily. Example, “Rusy is PRO abortion”.... no he is not pro-abortion, he doesn’t believe in abortion yet he probably won’t have the government step in and stop it. Reality people. Did GWB the huge Christian stop it. Get real. It will be up to the populous to enact an outlawing of that procedure, no one man or woman is going to put a swooping hand moratorium on it. GET REAL!


73 posted on 11/03/2007 9:17:25 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: kjo

right on


99 posted on 11/03/2007 1:55:02 PM PDT by camas
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To: kjo
I certainly don’t agree with Rudy G on everything, but fact is the abortion genie is never going back in the bottle. Homosexuality is now open, that’s not going to change either. Some level of gun control is gonna happen. Deal with these things.

So, your idea is to embrace liberalism?

Rudy is smart, tough, and ready to defend this country. He is the terrorists’ worse nightmare.

A totally unsubstantiated lie put forth by Rooty and the Rooty Rooters.

I think he might be another Teddy Roosevelt.

Yep, he will sue corporations, strengthen unions, push enviornmentalism, create more government bureaucracy, just like the leftist Roosevelts did.

113 posted on 11/03/2007 3:46:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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