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What was it like to fly on the A380?
news.bbc.co.uk ^ | 10/25/2007 | Laurence Watts

Posted on 10/30/2007 6:12:28 AM PDT by WesternCulture

As my taxi pulled up at Changi airport, I knew this was going to be a special day - the day of the first A380 commercial flight was finally here.

The airport had long been adorned with banners and posters declaring Singapore "A380 ready" and anticipating the flight.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: a380; aeroplanes; aerospace; airbus; aircraft; aircrafts; airtravel; aviation; europe; flights; flying; france; luxury; singapore; singaporeairlines; travel; traveling; travelling
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To: Malsua
"It's never customs, it's ALWAYS immigration that has massive lines."

You got that right. I recently routed myself through Frankfurt, arriving at 5:30 in the morning. There were no Immigration clerks for non-EU passengers for three hours. Three. Solid. Hours. Then the first clerk came on duty and had a smirking ol' time going through his passport-stamping ritual in ostentatious slow-motion: looking at the passenger, studying the passport, looking back up at the passenger, studying the passport some more, [repeat eight times], sighing heavily, considering the passport, turning the passport this way and that, riffling through the pages of the passport, holding the passport up to the light, looking at the passenger again, sighing heavily, riffling through the pages, selecting a page, pausing, riffling some more, selecting a different page, and... wait for it... raising the stamp high... annnnd... riffling through the pages some more...

I caught the son of a [Hillary] peeking up with barely-concealed mirth at this point. Then he'd stamp his stamp, send the apoplectic passenger on their way, and then the cycle would begin again.

This went on for about an hour.

In all this while, perhaps two or three dozen planes arrived. The line was stretching way back to the far gates.

Finally some more clerks came to their stations, and he shifted into normal speed.

Oh, and all the while, EU citizens were striding briskly past us. They had two clerks who barely glanced at them!

Now you know why they insist passengers be disarmed.
121 posted on 10/30/2007 7:59:43 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast ([Fred Thompson/Clarence Thomas 2008!])
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To: RightOnTheLeftCoast

You know something else....

On my July trip through CDG, I was “waived” through.

My wife wanted a french stamp and after asking, she got it. I have had to get pages added to my passport


122 posted on 10/30/2007 8:05:34 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Squawk 8888
The Concorde is a classic example- a magnificent aircraft that had no hope of paying for itself.

Knowingly blowing money for national pride and bragging rights isn't a bad thing, like with the Concorde or us going to the Moon. Accidentally blowing money because you screwed things up, like with the A380, is not quite so good.

123 posted on 10/30/2007 8:07:20 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: 60Gunner

“I have to add to your list one of the greatest Swedish products adopted for use by the United States Armed Forces: the Bofors 40mm cannon (AKA ‘pom-pom’).

Now that is what I call a kick-ass weapon system. Simple, deadly, modular, and enduring. It’s the B-52 of defense weaponry.”

- Bofors and The US Army have a long tradition of cooperation.

Another example is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle

During the Vietnam war, our hypocrite government energetically criticized The US and their allies while simultaneously supplying them with tons of this weapon.

Today, the Vietnam War is over, but the cooperation between Bofors and The US continues:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM982_Excalibur


124 posted on 10/30/2007 8:31:54 PM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
EUnic (= European Union National Institutes for Culture) is a nice, PC and harmless organization.

I respectfully disagree on the grounds that there is nothing harmless about a PC organization.

125 posted on 10/30/2007 9:56:57 PM PDT by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: running with scissors and playing with sharp objects- ain't America great?.)
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To: WesternCulture

You can count me as one freeper who actually likes France and spent a lot of time there and their former Americas colony Haiti.

Nearly all of Europe is leftist by our standards but some have more appreciation for their native culture. I like that.

(part Huguenot)


126 posted on 10/30/2007 10:04:40 PM PDT by wardaddy (This country is being destroyed by folks who could have never created it.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
This is what an airliner is: an under-frilled, over-priced, cramped, stuffy, airborne pathogen-infested sardine can that one has to endure countless hours of inconvenience for the sake of enduring a ride in one. The only thing new or different about the A380 is that it is a freaking HUGE under-frilled, over-priced, cramped, stuffy, airborne pathogen-infested sardine can.

If pigs flew, they'd be cleaner, and you wouldn't have to wade through the whiny brats and bums drinking Old Spice to get to one.

I made up my mind after my last domestic flight that I will never ride another strato-cattlecar again. I'll get my pilot's license and fly solo, thank you very much. No brats, no TB carriers, and no rude stewardesses, no 10-dollar twinkies, and no camelhumpers with boxcutters. And if I prang the sucker, it's my own damn fault.

127 posted on 10/30/2007 10:13:57 PM PDT by 60Gunner (I'm an ER nurse, You want the family package? Go to Disneyland.)
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To: WesternCulture
Excellent points, my friend.

Here's something interesting: for a neutral country, Sweden has produced some awesome weapons systems: Saab's Draken, their Viggen (dang, that sucker was LOUD), the Gripen, the Bofors 40mm cannon, the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, the XM982...

It makes me wonder... What would happen if you guys got pissed off enough to go to war?

You guys make some darn good firepower.

128 posted on 10/30/2007 10:21:09 PM PDT by 60Gunner (I'm an ER nurse. You want the family package? Go to Disneyland.)
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To: jveritas

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Daimler 79.9 M US$
Volkswagen 68.5 M US$
Honda 46.5 M US$
Nissan 35.5 M US$
Renault 32.9 M US$
BMW 29.5 M US$
Ford 24.3 M US$
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129 posted on 10/31/2007 1:01:54 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: WesternCulture

Airbus is not only French.


130 posted on 10/31/2007 2:42:59 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: 60Gunner
“I respectfully disagree on the grounds that there is nothing harmless about a PC organization.”

- Good point. In general they do a lot of harm, but what I had in mind in this case is that there are many PC organizations who do little else than produce tons of sweet sounding drivel that has very little impact on the world outside their own little tribe.

In the case of EUnic, most Europeans, whether they are Socialists, Liberal or Conservative, agree cultural exchange between our nations is a good thing, but I think a lot of us doubt that granting a yearly €2.2 billion to yet another superfluous organization is the best way of making Europeans discover the cultures of the other European countries.

These €2.2 would probably do a a lot more of good for European integration if any EU citizen could apply for a free plane or rail ticket to any destination within the EU and then you’d have a computer program simply run a lottery.

131 posted on 10/31/2007 4:20:46 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: wardaddy
“You can count me as one freeper who actually likes France and spent a lot of time there and their former Americas colony Haiti.

Nearly all of Europe is leftist by our standards but some have more appreciation for their native culture. I like that.”

- To begin with, you can count me as one European who likes the US!

At least over here in Europe, I guess most people associate Haiti with violence, lack of a functioning democracy and so on, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there also are a lot of nice things about Haiti that are seldom reported on.

I agree many Europeans often display appreciation for their
native culture. This is especially true when it comes to Southern Europe, but I’d say they have inspired us Northern Europeans to get more in touch with OUR OWN native culture.

I’ve become more European since Sweden entered the EU in 1995, but I’ve also become more Swedish (which is not due to the EUrocrats but thanks to traveling in Europe and being confronted with the many different local and regional cultures of the continent, something which has made me reflect upon what is typically Swedish, what my country is good at and how we can contribute to a better Europe).

Greetings to Tennessee from Sweden!

132 posted on 10/31/2007 4:42:40 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: RayChuang88
“I think in the end, the A380 will be a success because now that Airbus has overcome its biggest problem—the wiring system..”

- Yes, I remember all the snickering here at FR when these problems delayed the A-380 delivery schedule. However, I read the other day that Boeing has also experienced unexpected delays with the Dreamliner completion schedule. Something about subcontractors unable to meet delivery deadlines.

133 posted on 10/31/2007 4:44:31 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: ari-freedom
There’s no such thing as a truly competitive contract from the govt, especially when it comes to the military. I can’t imagine the govt considering buying German planes and Chinese missiles.

How about a British / Italian helicopter for the President to fly in?

134 posted on 10/31/2007 5:05:34 AM PDT by CT-Freeper (Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
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To: 60Gunner
“Here’s something interesting: for a neutral country, Sweden has produced some awesome weapons systems: Saab’s Draken, their Viggen (dang, that sucker was LOUD), the Gripen, the Bofors 40mm cannon, the Carl Gustav recoilless rifle, the XM982...”

- This is, of course, true. During both world wars and the Cold War as well, Sweden relied mainly on domestically developed and produced weapons.

In today’s globalized world, our arms industry has become more integrated with American, British and other European companies in this business. For instance, there have been several different mergers and projects of cooperation between British BAE, Swedish Bofors and Swedish SAAB (most people associate SAAB with cars but SAAB Automobile - which was bought by GM - was just a division of SAAB). Another example is of course the XM982 Excalibur missile which is the result of a American-British-Swedish cooperation.

As a Swede, I look forward to continued collaboration with USA in this field.

“It makes me wonder... What would happen if you guys got pissed off enough to go to war?”

- Some years ago, Sweden in fact had one of the world’s strongest armies measured in mobility times firepower. During the end of the Cold War, We could’ve mobilized around 1 million men. Add the production capacity in terms of military equipment of a very diversified and highly productive industry (that could’ve produced tons of artillery, submarines, tanks, fighter planes etc) to this and you naturally get a war machine with ability to inflict even more harm than many larger industrially developed countries. One basic aspect is that we have a lot of industry like steel works and automotive industry (and not only cars, Sweden is one of the world’s largest producers of heavy trucks and buses, meaning we could easily transform these plants a bit and start producing a lot of tanks if we wished to)

By today we have downsized our armed forces, but we still got a lot of competence in the area of defense. However, I think one of the reasons why our present Conservative government keep cutting the defense budget is they want Sweden to join the NATO.

It will probably happen sooner or later.

Best of regards!

135 posted on 10/31/2007 5:21:32 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

“I think it’s safe to say that France evidently has a lot of competent engineers.”

Well, good for you Westernculture. You just get your biddy on that plance and fly, fly, away. Oh, btw, have you by chance ever heard of a plane of the name “Comet”? Check it out...


136 posted on 10/31/2007 5:24:54 AM PDT by snoringbear (')
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To: finnigan2

“Yes, I remember all the snickering here at FR when these problems delayed the A-380 delivery schedule. However, I read the other day that Boeing has also experienced unexpected delays with the Dreamliner completion schedule. Something about subcontractors unable to meet delivery deadlines.”

- Personally, I’m convinced both the A-380 and the Dreamliner will be successful in the end. A lot of aeoroplanes have faced huge intitial difficulties, that’s nothing new.

What we should do on both sides of the Atlantic is to continue pushing the limits.


137 posted on 10/31/2007 5:28:39 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: Tommyjo

“Airbus is not only French.”

- 100% correct.

Actually, Airbus is part American.

Airbus is just a subsidary of EADS, a merger between Aérospatiale-Matra of France, Construcciones Aeronáuticas SA (CASA) of Spain, and DaimlerChrysler Aerospace AG (DASA) of Germany.

Therefore, Airbus is French-Spanish-German-American.


138 posted on 10/31/2007 5:32:54 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: snoringbear

“Oh, btw, have you by chance ever heard of a plane of the name “Comet”?”

- de Havilland Comet????


139 posted on 10/31/2007 5:38:31 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture
“Personally, I’m convinced both the A-380 and the Dreamliner will be successful in the end.”

- I agree. Boeing has staked it’s future on a smaller, more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly aircraft that can carry up to 300 passengers on medium to long haul routes, while Airbus sees a future for a long haul aircraft than can carry up to 800. I think that both will find a market but the limitations on the A380 are greater since it’s need for bigger airports and the strain it will put on terminal check in’s, security procedures, holding room capacity and wait times might make it unacceptable to large numbers of the flying public.

140 posted on 10/31/2007 6:29:34 AM PDT by finnigan2
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