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Need some FReeper help (vanity with gun porn)
Vanity | 10/23/07 | Neil E. Wright

Posted on 10/23/2007 9:29:21 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright

Greetings fellow gun buffs,

I need help identifying the manufacturer of this weapon:

This is what it looks like broken down:

The receiver is marked as follows:
CHRISTOPHER / ASSOCIATES
GLENDALE - CA A005XXX
MODEL SAM 180
VOERE AUSTRIA .22LR

There is no "CHRISTOPHER / ASSOCIATES" in my Blue Book of Gun Values and a google search fails to turn up anything on this weapon.

Has anyone seen one of these before? and can anyone help me find out what I'm dealing with here????? :)

This weapon is from Glen's personal collection and I'm trying to help his family determine what it's worth so I can sell it for the estate.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.


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This is a really KEWL weapon and I'd love to take it out and put it through it's paces. Maybe I can convince Glen's sister that I need to test fire it and make sure it works ... LOL
1 posted on 10/23/2007 9:29:23 PM PDT by Neil E. Wright
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To: Neil E. Wright

Christopher and Associates was the importer. The weapon is a SAM180, also known as an American 180. It is a .22LR rifle made in Austria; the magazine can hold 177 rounds. You could get a 275 round drum for them at one point. There were a number of problems with them; E&L Manufacturing made some upgrade parts kits to fix their shortcomings.

They had an 1800 rounds per minute firing rate in the full-auto config.

E&L Manufacturing is the only place left in the US that supports them.


2 posted on 10/23/2007 9:34:47 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Neil E. Wright

I forgot the contact info: http://american180.com/am180/accessor/sar180.html


3 posted on 10/23/2007 9:35:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: devolve

Ping to the ‘gun part’, lol.


4 posted on 10/23/2007 9:36:46 PM PDT by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: Neil E. Wright
Someone beat me to it..

Do a Google search for AM180 and you will get plenty of info at the links.
Also, click "Images" at top of page, plenty of photos similar to your model.

5 posted on 10/23/2007 9:38:33 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: Neil E. Wright

You had me at Gun Porn.


6 posted on 10/23/2007 9:40:12 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Neil E. Wright

It was/is called an American 180. In full-auto guise, it put out some serious lead in short order. It was ( if I recall correctly) one of the very first firearms to have a laser sight as an option. The laser was a big ol’ thing that replaced the forend and hung all the way out to the end of the barrel. It used a gas-type (He/Ne) laser and was quite fragile and a major battery-sucker. But it lead the way....


7 posted on 10/23/2007 9:45:37 PM PDT by Mr Inviso
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To: Neil E. Wright
AM180.

Transferables are about $9.5k in current prices.

8 posted on 10/23/2007 9:47:05 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Neil E. Wright

http://www.pmulcahy.com/submachineguns/slovenian_submachineguns.htm

This unusual submachinegun has a long history, beginning in the US in early 1960s as the Casull Carbine, then became the American 180 in the late 1960s (the first weapon at the time to be marketed to civilians with a laser pointer). The license was sold to Voere of Austria in 1972, who sold it to the Slovenian company in the mid-1980s. When the design reappeared in 1989 as the MGV-176, it had been out of production for over 10 years. Yugoslavian special operations forces adopted for limited use, and it was an item of curiosity to some collectors. The weapon is fed by a pan magazine on top of the receiver; this magazine is made from clear plastic. The capacity of this magazine is so large that about 4 minutes are required to fully reload an empty one. Though the .22 Long Rifle round used by the MGP-176 is of limited use on the modern battlefield, the weapon can become quite useful when the silencer is attached, allowing a high volume of quiet firepower to be produced.


9 posted on 10/23/2007 9:47:12 PM PDT by Sundog
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To: Spktyr
Here's a link with some history on the AM-180 and where you can get parts, etc..

http://www.elmfg.com/am180/articles/mgn11-92.html

10 posted on 10/23/2007 9:48:50 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: Neil E. Wright
YouTube - AM180 shooting.
11 posted on 10/23/2007 10:00:40 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: Neil E. Wright

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9zBKCI5Sweg


12 posted on 10/23/2007 10:02:26 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Neil E. Wright
AM 180
13 posted on 10/23/2007 10:16:21 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Army Air Corps
no no... this is gun porn


14 posted on 10/23/2007 10:27:05 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: ari-freedom
I'll see you and raise you...


15 posted on 10/23/2007 10:31:13 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
I'm calling your bluff

16 posted on 10/23/2007 10:40:13 PM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Neil E. Wright
http://www.elmfg.com/am180/articles/mgn12-95.html


17 posted on 10/23/2007 10:48:56 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Army Air Corps
This is gun pr0n, or as good as it gets on FR w/o a banhammering

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18 posted on 10/23/2007 11:04:34 PM PDT by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: lesser_satan

I like those round magazines. I’m sure the barrels of these guns get very hot when played with for a long time.


19 posted on 10/23/2007 11:26:09 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Army Air Corps
Now this is real effective silenced firepower:


20 posted on 10/23/2007 11:35:16 PM PDT by 300winmag (Life is hard! It is even harder when you are stupid!)
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