Fortress: The shootings took place at the U.S. naval base in Bahrain
Posted on 10/23/2007 8:08:10 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
U.S. sailor shoots two female colleagues on Bahrain base in 'love triangle' killings
Last updated at 17:04pm on 22nd October 2007
A U.S. Navy sailor allegedly shot and killed two female sailors early Monday on a U.S. military base in Bahrain, a Navy official said.
Initial reports suggest the shooting was the result of a "love triangle," according to a State Department official.
The alleged shooter, a male, was critically wounded in the incident in the barracks on the U.S. Naval Support Activity Bahrain base.
Fortress: The shootings took place at the U.S. naval base in Bahrain
The shootings took place around 2am, the Navy has said. Officials closed the base temporarily and reopened it about an hour after the incident.
The two women were pronounced dead at the scene, and the man was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.
No other details were immediately available, and the Navy said it was not releasing the names of those involved until their families were notified.
"The incident is under investigation, and it would not be prudent to discuss details at this time," said Navy spokesman Lt. John Gay.
Bahrain, a tiny island nation on the Persian Gulf, is a U.S. ally and home to the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet, which is responsible for an area of about 2.5 million square miles (6.5 million sq. kilometres) of water including the Persian Gulf, Arabian Sea, Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, Gulf of Oman and parts of the Indian Ocean.
About 3,600 personnel work on the U.S. Naval Support Activity Bahrain base, located just outside Bahrain's capital, Manama. The base supports U.S. naval ships in the region.
There are women in the military?
Where?
When did that happen?
Not long ago, McGrath’s breakthrough would have seemed inconceivable,” Time reports. “Women have served on support vessels since 1979, but it wasn’t until 1994 that they were permitted, reluctantly, on warships.”
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14937
Amen.
We are not fighting a foe that can match us in the air or sea.
No nation that has had women in combat (such as Israel) now allows it.
They know the problems it creates, both for the men and the women, who are forced into situations they are not able to handle.
What some people don't understand is that when a female soldier gets pregnant, she then gets pulled from lots of duties that she would normally perform. That creates problems with morale as these pregnant individuals start being removed from duty rosters. As the pregnancy progresses, they do less and less, yet still draw a full salary, and after having the kids, have like 6 weeks off or something. They cannot go to the field, they cannot be deployed on combat missions, etc.
Another occasion, we had one female get pregnant because she knew that we were going on a 30-day field exercise and she did not want to go. So she got pregnant, said she could not stand the morning sickness, thus got out of deployment to the field.
Then come back. All this time, they are not there for the unit. They cannot be replaced with another soldier because they occupy a slot. We had a female in Germany get pregnant three years in a row. In those three years, she barely did anything except have kids. Right after the first one was born, she was off, came back, was soon pregnant again, and repeated the process. For three years, she occupied a position, which sat empty. Others had to do her job because she was not there. This went on for 3 years. There is no limit to the number of kids female military personnel can have. So, it is possible for them to keep having kids, drawing a salary, free medical care, not working very much, and occupying a slot that someone else has to do because she is not there.
I have very mixed feelings concerning females in the military. I know that many do fine jobs and do very well. Others use the system to get paid, yet do nothing, get out of deployment, even use their monthly period to get out of duty. Sorry, but my experiences were that we had more who used the system to get over, than we had that wanted to be there to do the job and be a soldier.
The original women in ships program began in 1979 with 56 women. It was greatly expanded by President Reagan to include most all noncombatant vessels in 1983 in order to free up the men to man the new combatant ships coming online. By 1989, immediately after the end of Reagan’s term, Navy women were authorized to serve in 59% of all billets. The program was again expanded by Bill Clinton to include combatant vessels in 1994.
She didn't say any of those things.
What she was saying is that a women who enters the military isn't aware of what it is going to cost her, her femininity and modesty.
Men become more masculine because the military is a man's calling, not a woman's one.
Their are legitimate areas for women in the military, such as nursing and administration, but to insist that they turn into men is nothing but Feminism.
Girls just want to have fun.
Claiming the military is only a man's calling denegrates the service of tens of thousands of women. Saying that the military somehow turns them into men is insulting. If she regrets her service or won't allow her children to serve then fine. She should at least be grateful that there are others out there willing to serve when she and her's won't.
No, the root of the problem is a military establishment that is pushing a feminist agenda, despite what Congress has told them about women in combat.
Duncan Hunter recently had to have a bill passed to make the military comply with the laws that Congress has passed.
HUNTER ADMONISHES ARMY ON WOMEN IN LAND COMBAT 6/1/2005 9:51:00 AM
First Congressional Debate Since 1990s Legislation rarely passes on the first try, but Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA), Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, accomplished a great deal when he took on some big guns on the issue of women in combat. After more than a decade of neglect, Congress is now engaged in this issue, and the Army has been put on notice that they cannot force women into land combat without Congress having a say.
Army Secretary Francis Harvey and Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Richard Cody, who had fired off letters denouncing the first Hunter/McHugh amendment, dispatched a corps of advocates to halt the legislation before it arrived on the House floor. The Army’s official website posted an array of editorials denouncing Hunter’s effort, and the Washington Post contributed a front page story that, for the first time, obliquely mentioned the problem that had caused Hunter to move in the first place.
As reported by the Center for Military Readiness and a few news media such as the Washington Times, National Review Online and Human Events, the Army had been bending, breaking, redefining, or circumventing the rules on women in or near direct ground combat. Officials did this by pursuing three admitted options since May of 2004:
Perhaps the Army has not forgotten that in their own surveys taken over a decade in the 1990s, 85% -90% of female enlisted personnel opposed the involuntary land combat assignments on the same basis as men. More recently, major surveys of potential recruits done for the U.S. Army have found that “fear of dying in combat” has doubled as a reason for potential recruits to avoid the military. 3
Young men are as likely to desire co-ed infantry assignments as they are to play on co-ed football teams. And the majority of eligible young women fear combat even more than than men do.
http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=249
Women can and should be in the military, just not in combat roles.
If not enough men are voluntering, increase the incentives, that is what having a volunter army is about.
And what happens when a woman gets pregnent?
Is she disciplined?
Does she have to report the man?
No, she is given light duty and thus, the rest of the unit has to take up the slack.
There is no 'diatribe against women', nothing has ever been said against legimate female roles such as nursing and administration.
But those noble and necessary roles don't advance the notion that men and women are the same, which has always been the goal of socialism, to destroy sexual distinctions and the family.
Amen
I said much the same thing on another thread, that many women are in the military for the wrong reasons.
Very strange. How did he get shot? Return fire? Attempt suicide?
I’m sure a detail or two is missing.
And the problem is women on combat vassals, which was a Clinton program (what a shock), not a Reagan one.
So, your attempt to link Reagan to the current women on combat vassals, was a bit disingenuous.
Thank you for your comments.
Thank you for your military service.
Thank you for your service to God.
Thank you for raising God fearing children.
I read your home page and found it well worded. I agree with what you stand for.
Sincerely
Very salient point — though for the life of me, I can’t see why coming upon such a scene would prompt a man to violence. Envy, perhaps. Violence, hardly.
Amen, and he will be. The Sailor that is.
Well, you had better study what the results of women in what traditionally have been considered male combat roles has been.
Women are far more traumatized then are men.
Most women in the military do not want to be in combat roles, but are being forced into them.
On the negative side, researchers confirmed that woman are more prone to injuries; medical lost time (including maternity leave) detracts from unit strength and readiness. Gender-norming reduces female injuries, but heightens resentment of double standards and degrades morale. http://cmrlink.org/WomenInCombat.asp?docID=263
Now, no one is casting aspersions on any woman who has served honorably.
We are looking at the philosophy behind the view that men and women are to be treated the same when they are not and never will be.
And war is too serious to be playing social experiments with.
As probably one of the smartest guys on FR, you know that is true.
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