My Night At The Orlando Fox News Presidential Debate

Myself | 10-22-2007 | my favorite headache

[Man50D]

Good Grief....Rudy is NOT a SOCIALIST! Comments like these show immature thinking....which is NOT what a freeper has. He is more liberal, but Socialist?????

He certainly is! He agrees with socialist Hillary on many issues as the list below shows.

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

Giuliani/Clinton/Dem vs. GOP Platform Comparison
Issue	Giuliani	Clinton	Dem Platform	GOP Platform
Abortion on Demand	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Partial Birth Abortion	Supports Opposed NY ban	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Roe v. Wade	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Taxpayer Funded Abortions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Embryonic Stem Cell Research	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Federal Marriage Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Defined at state level	Supports
Gay Domestic Partnership/ Civil Unions	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Openly Gay Military	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Defense of Marriage Act	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Amnesty for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Special Path to Citizenship for Illegal Aliens	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Tough Penalties for Employers of Illegal Aliens	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes	Supports
Sanctuary Cities/ Ignoring Immigration Law	Supports	Supports	Supports	Opposes
Protecting 2nd Amendment	Opposes	Opposes	Opposes Supports bans	Supports
Confiscating Guns	Supports Confiscated as mayor. Even bragged.	Supports	Supports Supports bans	Opposes
'Assault' Weapons Ban	Supports	Supports	Supports
Frivolous Lawsuits Against Gun Makers	Supports Filed One Himself	Supports		Opposes
Gun Registration/Licenses	Supports	Supports		Opposes
War in Afghanistan	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports	Supports
War in Iraq	Supports	Supports Voted for it	Supports Weak support	Supports
Patriot Act	Supports	Supports Voted for it 2001 & 2006	Opposes	Supports

[CharlesWayneCT]

Yes, and it was expected to pass the Senate. My favorite senator, Tom Coburn, railed against it but he usually isn’t successful, but this time he actually was, and the funding was cut. At least for now, the senators could sneak it back into a bill.

[Rome2000]

German Nazi marching bands and get excited

Curiously, I do have a cassette of German marching band music in my glove compartment.

All of the songs are pre-nazi era.

[CharlesWayneCT]

The amnesty bill in the senate was so bad that a lot of somewhat pro-amnesty people opposed it.

I’m not entirely against what people call “amnesty” for all illegal immigrants currently living in the country, but I strongly opposed the senate bill, which went WAY TOO FAR.

Note Huckabee wants to deport illegals who commit OTHER crimes. He doesn’t say what to do with the rest of them.

[CharlesWayneCT]

Wow, that’s spooky, that’s almost exactly what I said in response to him. I thought I was all alone here, now I’m encouraged.

[Man50D]

Bush=Democrats is pure, unsupportable hyperbole.

It's not hyperbole Bush worked with Socialist Teddy Kennedy to pass legislation granting amnesty for illegal aliens. It's not hyperbole he, like the socialist Democrats, supports ceding our sovereignty to the internationalists by supporting The Law Of the Sea Treaty and the internationalist world court at the Hague by taking his home state of Texas to the Supreme Court to over turn the state's death sentence of an illegal alien who brutally murdered two teenage girls. Those are facts proving Bush is a socialist Democrat who deceived everyone to think he is a conservative.

[TChris]

Excellent work, MFH! You did FR proud.

[oh8eleven]

Note Huckabee wants to deport illegals who commit OTHER crimes. He doesn’t say what to do with the rest of them.
Thanks and I did notice how that was written.
I like Huckabee and it's my hope that the uproar by the American people over the Shamnasty bill impressed him as much as it did me.

[CharlesWayneCT]

He’s a very likeable guy, well-spoken, and right on a host of issues. Remember that for many social conservatives, illegal immigration is TWO issues, one of security, sealing the border, but another of compassion, reaching out to the less fortunate. That’s why many Catholics split with the Republicans on this issue.

[Guenevere]

Lunzt really said that....the German Nazi band quote?

Disgusting....Why aren't we hearing this quote this morning on FOX or other newsgroups?..

..he's suppose to be impartial, isn't he.

REAL CONSERVATIVES NEED NOT APPLY.....I guess!!!!!

[peggybac]

EXCELLENT job! I wish we could see the whole thing. BTW, I’ve always suspected something fishy about Luntz. He seems to detest conservatives.

[CharlesWayneCT]

I would agree with you if his current WORDS are ignored. But if he wins with conservative support, we can rightly say he won BECAUSE he changed his mind, and embraced the conservative cause. Then we can hold his feet to the fire and make him live up to his promises.

If he doesn’t, we aren’t “marginalized” because we were lied to.

That’s why I wouldn’t vote for a Linc Chafee, because we’d deserve what we got, as he’d be doing what he promised.

It’s why I give some people a hard time when they attack Bush for immigration — because Bush said during the campaign exactly what he was doing as President. He didn’t “turn out” differently in that case.

I’m not saying Rudy is SAYING all the right things either. But he is saying a LOT MORE right things than Hillary, and if he lived up to what he says he’d be a lot more conservative than Joe. For example, Joe would never appoint John Roberts, Scalia,or Thomas.

I don’t know if Rudy would either, but he SAYS he would, and people who have always been trustworthy on the abortion issue that are associated with Rudy SAY he is telling the truth.

It’s not enough for me to support him in the primary, but it’s enough for me not to stay home in the general election.

[Guenevere]

To equate "major serious conservatives"

... with "German Nazi marching band" is outrageous!!!!

People with seemingly more power than Luntz have lost their jobs and reputations over .....'I was just joking'...

But oh gee, I forgot....

..it's OK to demean & ridicule REAL conservatives.

[KC_Conspirator]

You were that guy! LOL! I pumped my fist in the air when you said that; and its funny how almost every man and woman in that room nodded in approval in total agreement when you said that. I thought alot of comments by the people in that room with you echoed alot of what the base is ginned up about; returning to party principles, taking on the democrats, fighting the left wing media instead of rolling over.

Oddly enough, this month I went to a GOP party on the Hill and it was the first time that I got the feeling that the GOP was finally getting their game on for election season. They have a plan and they are finally dusting themselves off after last November. Last nights debate reinforced that.

[JFC]

very impressive. I was watching and glad to find out it was a fellow freeper!!!

[SoldierDad]

I just have to know. It was you who made the “certifiably insane” comment regarding Run Paul? I laughed for a full five minutes after that comment. My wife thought I was going to lose it completely. Great comment, great job of putting forth your views, and thank you for standing up for conservative principles. Oh, and I too thought that Gov. Huckabee did a very good job. I’m still undecided, but I’m narrowing the field after last night.

[bray]

You did a great job. Of course Luntz is going with HilaryCare, just like he did w/President Kerry.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[sitetest]

Dear CharlesWayneCT,

“I would agree with you if his current WORDS are ignored.”

Sorry, his current WORDS are merely trimming his sails, or outright lies. But even counting his current WORDS, he is little more than a somewhat more conservative liberal Democrat.

“But if he wins with conservative support, we can rightly say he won BECAUSE he changed his mind, and embraced the conservative cause.”

He’s hardly become a conservative. He’s still a damned baby-killer, his stance on gun rights is nearly indecipherable, as is his stance on government funding of abortion. He still thinks that abortion is a “constitutional right” and still thinks that a “strict constructionist” justice could uphold Roe. He’s still a statist as far as can be seen. He really has never repudiated his lawsuit against gun manufacturers. He’s misrepresented his previous positions on taxes. He’s still a big backer of the homosexual agenda.

“I’m not saying Rudy is SAYING all the right things either.”

Even with the trimming of sails and outright lies, Mr. Giuliani is still saying a lot of WRONG things.

He’s a baby-killer, pure and simple.

If he becomes president, he will do more harm than Mrs. Clinton would as president, as he would lead the formerly-conservative, formerly-pro-life Republican Party down the path of irrelevance and destruction.

The lesson learned would be that conservatism doesn’t win elections, pro-life doesn’t win elections, pro-family doesn’t win elections. The lesson learned would be to dump us social conservatives overboard.

If you don’t think that’s the case, then you haven’t been following the discourse at Free Republic since last winter, when all the damned rudybots were quite explicit in their desire to elect the baby murderer, to give them what they needed to throw social conservatives out of the party.

Electing Mr. Giuliani would cause the Republican Party to cave into every evil social legislation that the Democrat majority would propose, and that the baby killer would sign. Electing Mr. Giuliani would destroy the only current mainstream vehicle for any sort of social conservatism in the United States. Mr. Giuliani is a present danger to the republic, even worse than Mrs. Clinton, as at least, Mrs. Clinton's election would engender resistance to her liberal policies from Congressional Republicans.

When your house is burning down, don't burn down the fire station, too.

“It’s not enough for me to support him in the primary, but it’s enough for me not to stay home in the general election.”

Gee, I don’t know why you keep coming back to this “staying home” thing. I’ll be out voting on election day. Straight Republican ticket EXCEPT for any baby killers at the top of the ticket.

sitetest

[antivenom]

Yea...but Rudy’s squeeze won’t be “misusing” sinks for bodily expulsions...

[sauropod]

Duncan Hunter is a man who should not only be in the next debate, but he should be given equal time with Rudy, Fred, Romney and McCain.

I feel that way about Tancredo. To me, Tanc outshone Hunter.