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Teacher: Call me 'Mister' (Men in elementary classrooms scarce)
Madison.com ^ | October 20, 2007 | Susan Troller

Posted on 10/20/2007 5:59:25 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

It takes a big man to teach small children.

At 6 feet 5 inches tall, Josh Reineking towers over his kindergarten students at Stephens Elementary School, but it's actually his large heart and patient, steady manner that keep his lively charges learning, and in line.

It doesn't hurt that he finds it easy to laugh, and thinks on his feet. Oh, and he also doesn't mind folding up like a Swiss Army knife to fit in a kindergarten-size chair.

"My friends, my friends. Hands up for a message," Reineking says quietly and firmly as his class of 5-year-olds begin squirming and shoving shortly before recess.

Fourteen pairs of arms shoot up, and hands are folded above little heads. The early symptoms of an imminent scuffle disappear as all eyes are on Mr. Reineking, waiting for instructions.

"OK, you can begin to line up at the door. Brooke, I think your jacket's under the table. Dee'aijah, good job at being friends with Lenard today. I like to see that. And, my friends, look at how Likhith has cleaned everything up around up his table. Good job, Peter, staying in your space and lining up," he said.

Reineking has a reputation as a highly successful young teacher, but as a male elementary classroom teacher he is in a shrinking minority, both in the Madison district and throughout the nation.

That's a loss both to students and to school districts, many observers believe.

Reg Weaver, president of the National Education Association, said in a recent phone interview that male teachers who provide a good role model have never been more important with increasing numbers of students coming from single-parent homes. But the numbers of those male teachers are at a 40-year low.

Teacher, role model

Bob Arnold is a veteran teacher who grew up on Madison's east side. As a young man he ran his father's bar, Arnold's Breeze Inn on East Washington Avenue, and went back to school in his early 30s when a friend in education said she thought he'd make a wonderful teacher.

He has spent his entire career at Lowell Elementary, moving from third grade to second grade to first grade.

"It's such a crucial year," he explained.

Arnold said it's important to be a good male role model, but he focuses first on being a good teacher.

"They need someone to look up to, someone who can teach them and nurture them at the same time," he said.

He agrees that there may be more students today from single-parent families who may not have a lot of men in their lives, but he thinks there are other issues that have had a more profound impact on the classroom.

"These days I think more kids have deeper problems than they used to have. There are more mental health issues. The public just doesn't know what these kids have gone through from birth," he said. "But then again, you see kids who are so resilient, so hopeful."

A 40-year low

According to NEA data, the ratio of men to women in teaching has been steadily dropping over the last two decades. Recent NEA research shows that just 24.9 percent of the nation's 3 million teachers are now men, and the percentage of men teaching at the elementary level is now about 9 percent, compared to an all-time high of 18 percent in 1981.

Nationally, even at the secondary school level, the ratio of men to women is dropping, and has fallen to its lowest level ever or about 35 percent of the total number of middle and high school teachers.

Figures from the Wisconsin Education Association Council tend to reinforce those figures, with the total number of male teachers at about 26 percent in 2003, compared to 42 percent in 1986.

A count of male classroom teachers in a recent Madison school staff directory suggests that just under 9 percent of the classroom teachers at Madison's 31 elementary schools are men.

Weaver said that the NEA is working to identify, recognize, recruit and retain more male teachers, with an emphasis on elementary and minority teachers.

"We want to get more qualified men into the profession, and keep them in the profession," he said, but admitted that it can be a tough sell.

He said that there are probably many reasons for the drop in the number of male teachers, but that chief among them is a social climate that devalues the work of teachers. That manifests itself in wages that haven't kept pace with other jobs requiring professional degrees and "a sense that a teacher's salary can't support a family."

A money factor

In Madison, a teacher starting out with a bachelor's degree will make $32,568, while he or she will make a starting salary of $35,584 with a master's degree, Bob Nadler, head of human resources for the Madison district, said.

According to the NEA, it's no coincidence that states with the highest salaries tend to have the highest proportion of male teachers, and states like Mississippi, which ranks 49th out of 50 states for its teacher pay, has the lowest percentage of men in the profession.

But it's not just money that puts a damper on men going into elementary education: Teaching grade school students has traditionally been seen as women's work.

"Oh, yeah. I knew it was not going to be many guys," Reineking said as he recalled beginning his University of Wisconsin School of Education primary grade education certification program.

"But it really hit me when I went into my first class and looked around. So many girls," he said with a laugh.

John Burkholder, principal at Midvale Elementary in Madison, graduated with a degree in elementary education in 1984. At his first school in the Los Angeles area, he was one of two men on the elementary school staff. The other man was a custodian, and a huge Denver Broncos fan.

"I had always been interested in hockey, and had played and coached hockey so football wasn't really my thing. But that year I spent an awful lot of time talking about the Broncos," Burkholder recalled.

He said it could be lonely when he went into the teachers' lounge and didn't have a lot of common ground outside of school with his all female colleagues.

"Sometimes I'd ask, 'How 'bout those Oilers?'" He admitted it wasn't much of a conversation starter.

"Being one of two men in the building, I did basically have a private restroom. That was a plus," he laughed.

Burkholder says he has always believed that teaching is the best job in the world for the right person.

"Helping turn kids on to learning is an amazing thing," he said. "Don't get me wrong. I love being a principal, too. But if the money were equal, I would certainly still be teaching."

Career nurturing

John Matthews, executive director of Madison Teachers Inc., Madison's teachers union, noted that over 30 years ago he went to bat for a male teacher who wanted to teach kindergarten in Madison.

"In the early 1970s the then-superintendent refused a male teacher the right to transfer to a kindergarten position because 'males couldn't provide the nurturing which kindergarten pupils need.' I challenged that and the Sup' said that a male with a mustache wasn't acceptable. I challenged that, too, and the person received the transfer," he recalled.

The NEA's Weaver, who began his teaching career in elementary school back in the 1960s, said he believes that men in the primary grades can carry a presence into the classroom that may help with discipline or help students settle down.

Karen Sieber, principal at Stephens, said that Reineking "has that calm demeanor, and I think he really makes his kids feel safe, welcomed and connected." She said he also makes and keeps strong relationships with his students' families.

Reineking doesn't raise his voice to manage his students. In fact, his voice gets quieter and quieter when he wants total attention, and when he combines it with a stern, powerful look, even the most rambunctious of his students tend to sharpen up and cooperate, even if they drag their feet a bit.

Reineking is the first one to say learning to manage his class didn't happen over night.

"Oh, yeah, the first week we'd manage to get about one thing done a day," he admitted with a laugh. "You just build on those relationships and expectations, day after day. I have had some great mentors among my colleagues here, and they've helped me learn what works."

He said he's learned on his own what doesn't.

John Corcoran, a longtime second grade teacher at Mendota Elementary on the north east side, said, "When I first went into teaching, I figured the younger the students, the easier it would be. Oh gosh, was that ever wrong!" he said with a laugh.

"I remember thinking second grade ought to be a piece of cake. You just tell them what to do and they do it, right?" he said.

"I consider myself a teacher who wants to help kids have a fun and active time learning, but I don't see that as a male or female thing," Corcoran said. "Every morning is a fresh day, a new start. I ask myself, 'Are the kids learning? Are they meeting the standards? Are they feeling like school is a happy, safe place to be?' I consider that success."


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KEYWORDS: discrimination; education; educrats; k12; kindergarten; learning; schoolbias; schools; teachers; teaching
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"They need someone to look up to, someone who can teach them and nurture them at the same time," he said.

Yep. Kids used to call that person, "Dad." Another vanishing species. :(

1 posted on 10/20/2007 5:59:27 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Same author. Not sure why this wasn’t added to the first article. (Yeah, right.)

We hold back, say male teachers

Susan Troller — 10/20/2007 7:41 am

A love for children is the best reason for anyone, male or female, to go into teaching, educators say. But misinterpreted, that affection can be problematic — and that’s particularly true for men.

In an environment where any word, gesture or — especially — touch can be considered suspect in terms of being sexually charged, many male teachers say they must be extra careful in the way they interact with their students.

John Burkholder, principal at Midvale Elementary and a former elementary school classroom teacher, said he is careful not to initiate hugs with his students.

“If they hug me, that’s OK, but I don’t encourage it,” Burkholder said. “I initiate high fives, instead.”

“As a male teacher, you try to make certain you are never alone in your classroom with a student, and if a student comes in you have the door open, and stand in the doorway. Sometimes you see that a kid really needs a hug. That’s when I send them to see our female psychologist, or our social worker,” he added.

Adam Zingsheim teaches a combined grade 4 and 5 class at Mendota Elementary, and is in his third year of teaching.

An ardent athlete and sports fan, he says teaching, along with coaching, is his dream job.

“I think it’s probably one of the only things you do in life where you get as much as you give,” he said enthusiastically.

But he is cautious about his physical contact with students.

“For us, it’s a handshake. That’s something we want to model with our students,” he said.

Like Burkholder, he said he errs on the side of caution when it comes to having students in his room after school.

“The door is always open,” he said. “And I’m very careful even with the words I choose. You want to tell parents, ‘You have a wonderful daughter. She is brilliant, she’s beautiful’ but I want to be careful.”

Veteran first grade teacher Bob Arnold said that while he’s very conscious of current concerns about physical affection is the classroom, he has to be himself, and recognize the needs of his students.

Whether it’s a quick hug, or a pat on the head or shoulder, “a lot of kids crave physical affection,” he said. “I don’t let (these concerns) affect my teaching style.”


2 posted on 10/20/2007 6:00:53 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

My two oldest had a fantastic male kindergarten teacher, a former semi-pro baseball player. He was conservative, strict, taught to the top of the class, and had little time for BS.

Therefore, parents either loved him or hated him. Personally, I wish he could have taught my kids all the way through high school!


3 posted on 10/20/2007 6:11:02 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

the nea does not want men in classrooms...it is much easier to change the boys nature to a more feminine perspective and demean and lessen their self esteem and self worth with lib/dem women teachers with an agenda!!!


4 posted on 10/20/2007 6:12:22 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: Northern Yankee
Good morning.

Good article ping.

5 posted on 10/20/2007 6:19:23 AM PDT by lysie
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
and the percentage of men teaching at the elementary level is now about 9 percent, compared to an all-time high of 18 percent in 1981

Strangely, no calls to address this blatant indicator of discrimination have been heard from the academic community (tongue only half in cheek. Guys can have a tough time working in a female-dominated environment)

6 posted on 10/20/2007 6:28:23 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: pesto

Ping


7 posted on 10/20/2007 6:54:48 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Go to any teacher’s union representative and you will find the answer. In Minnesota, the slightest suggestion a male teacher may have looked down a girls dress or touched her in any way results in a legal actions against the teacher.

At least in Minnesota, it is dangerous to be a male teacher up to and through the 8th grade. Not worth the hassle.


8 posted on 10/20/2007 6:55:35 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: SauronOfMordor
That’s exactly what I was thinking. I had a friend who got a degree in biology, then decided she wanted to teach and went back for a second degree in elementary ed. She says there was little emphasis on teaching styles, learning styles, managing the classroom or subject matter, but a huge emphasis on making sure the there weren’t too many male references, like using he or him, and on how to bring other cultures into the classroom. Lots of focus too on making sure that girls were helped to overcome the sense of inferiority that our male oriented culture imposed on them. Very feminist oriented, and anti-male. That was 20 years ago, but I doubt much has changed.
9 posted on 10/20/2007 6:57:43 AM PDT by Kay Ludlow (Free market, but cautious about what I support with my dollars)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Teaching doesn’t pay anything and you can’t take any actions against bad kids, so what person, man or woman, would want to teach? Women will take the jobs because they will work for less money and still consider it a “good” salary. But most men will not accept a teaching salary because it is not high enough. There are many reasons why the education system is messed up but one of them is that it is run by women and they are doing a lousy job.


10 posted on 10/20/2007 7:14:44 AM PDT by Contra
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To: nyyankeefan
"the NEA does not want men in classrooms...it is much easier to change the boys nature to a more feminine perspective and demean and lessen their self esteem and self worth with lib/dem women teachers with an agenda!!!"

Look around. It's bigger than the NEA...the whole world is suffering from the attempt to eliminate White males.
When our culture/society/civilization completely collapses...people will say, "What Happened?"

11 posted on 10/20/2007 7:49:48 AM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Even females have to be very, very careful. I’m hesitant to do anything other than occasionally pat a kid on the shoulder. I’ve had several hug me, and it makes me happy to know they like me, but I’m scared to death to hug them back.


12 posted on 10/20/2007 8:19:12 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: Contra
Teaching doesn’t pay anything…

This is the economic law of supply and demand. The supply of teachers equals or exceeds the demand for that economic commodity. Therefore, the price (salary/compensation) will not rise until the supply sufficiently fails to meet demand.

… and you can’t take any actions against bad kids…

With the exception of corporal punishment in most school districts, many, if not most, of the classroom disciplinary techniques and tactics from by-gone eras are still available to teachers. What has changed dramatically is the efficacy of those techniques and the potential repercussions to those teachers/administrators employing such. Of course, both of these limiting factors combined with a “college-of-education” indoctrination in certain ideologies of new teachers/administrators has generally resulted in failure to use many of the disciplinary techniques still potentially available.

In the past (more than 3 or 4 decades ago), a child’s parents (note the plural) were usually embarrassed by the fact their child (ren) had to be disciplined at school (in public or with public knowledge that such had occurred). Such a public disciplinary action was generally viewed (and many would argue, correctly so) as a failure on the parent’s part to properly rear the child who had been so disciplined.

The result of the potential parental embarrassment was that many, if not most, children were instructed that any disciplinary action at school would only be the “first” round of such, and probably the most lenient. Additionally, in that by-gone era, one parent of a pair was generally a full-time custodian/caregiver of the child when they were not in school. This full-time exposure provided better supervision of the child and inculcation of cultural norms of proper behavior than that currently available to many current public school students. The added instruction in proper, civilized behavior norms was generally recognized and accepted by both individual adults and the community. Instruction in the behavior norms from home was congruently reinforced in the school environment and encouraged adherence to those norms by the child in all of the his/her environments.

The cultural “rebellion” of the late 60’s and 70’s drastically altered the perception of what constituted (s) acceptable public behavior (think hippie dress, “stick it to the ‘Man’,” “do your own thing,” “if it feels good, do it,” etc.). Prior to this era, the accepted norm for childhood behavior was more to the tune of “children should be seen and not heard,” “anyone more than 10 years older than a child was a “Sir,” or a “Ma’am,” etc. Societal norms were generally different in every aspect; “business attire” meant suit and tie, women “dressed” when they went to the market, most parents attended a school’s “open house,” “Sunday best” was exercised literally, etc. Teachers were not well compensated even then, but, generally, held a bit of “status” in the community.

In summary, not being able to take any actions against bad kids is only a small part of the source of disciplinary problem in schools.

… so what person, man or woman, would want to teach?

Teaching has a number of “intrinsic” rewards that go well beyond financial compensation. Seeing young people comprehend and use a difficult concept/process that will potentially better their futures and that of society in general is very psychologically rewarding. Having a student compliment you on your teaching years after the fact is also incredibly rewarding.

Women will take the jobs because they will work for less money and still consider it a “good” salary. But most men will not accept a teaching salary because it is not high enough.

Beyond intrinsic rewards, the hours of teaching used to, and still do, to a large degree, compliment a parent’s (particularly a mother’s) desire to spend time with school-aged offspring and still have employment. This fact typically leads many more women (mothers) into the teaching profession.

Additionally, because of the predominance of women (mothers) in the teaching profession (particularly the primary, elementary and middle school), it has traditionally been seen as a “second income” rather than a primary, family sustaining income. Such a view combined with the basic “law of supply and demand” has lead to somewhat depressed compensation considering the academic qualifications required.

There are many reasons why the education system is messed up but one of them is that it is run by women and they are doing a lousy job.

It is hard to argue against the “lousy job” accusation you level because of falling standardized test scores comparing current American students with those across the world in addition to times past. However, you proposed explanation is a logical non-sequitor. Nominally, the school system is “run” by school boards, state education departments and school administrators, a very large percentage of which are male. Additionally, a fair number of the professors (and department heads/chairs) in various “colleges of education” in different universities are male. Care to modify your assertion?
13 posted on 10/20/2007 9:36:34 AM PDT by Lucky Dog
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To: Contra
But most men will not accept a teaching salary because it is
not high enough.


I suspect that if male teachers didn't have to function as frontline
troops for the insane liberal, libertine, GLBT-affirming indoctrination
that groups like the NEA push...
...we'd not be seeing that 40-year low in male teachers in the classroom.
14 posted on 10/20/2007 9:41:46 AM PDT by VOA
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To: USArmySpouse
He was conservative..

The teacher talked politics to a kindergarten class?

15 posted on 10/20/2007 9:45:22 AM PDT by trumandogz (Hunter Thompson 2008)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
At 6 feet 5 inches tall, Josh Reineking towers over his kindergarten
students at Stephens Elementary School,


At 6 feet 5 inches tall...not matter what kind of teacher he is...
the school board was probably afraid of what would happen if
they didn't hire him!
16 posted on 10/20/2007 9:45:29 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Weaver said that the NEA is working to identify, recognize,
recruit and retain more male teachers, with an emphasis on elementary
and minority teachers.


And they fight "with hammer and tongs" to keep "over-qualified"
people out of the schools.

This subject gets covered occassionally on The Bill Bennett radio
show.

My favorite one was the serial "professor of the year" at Georgia
Tech in physics that hit a brick wall when he heard of the
"shortage of science teachers in public schools" and offered his services.
17 posted on 10/20/2007 9:52:37 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Lucky Dog

In my school years, I noticed that once I hit high school it was damn-near a 50/50 split of male and female teachers. In college I had more male instructors than female.


18 posted on 10/20/2007 9:57:28 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: trumandogz; USArmySpouse

I think USArmySpouse just meant that as a qualifying adjective...that he wasn’t trying to indoctrinate them with PC crap in kindergarten...which DOES happen in many classrooms.

Like those E85 commercials where the guy asks the kids if they’re vegetarian and HALF raise their hands...


19 posted on 10/20/2007 9:59:37 AM PDT by RockinRight (The Council on Illuminated Foreign Masons told me to watch you from my black helicopter.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
According to the NEA, it's no coincidence that states with the highest salaries tend to have the highest proportion of male teachers, and states like Mississippi, which ranks 49th out of 50 states for its teacher pay, has the lowest percentage of men in the profession. But it's not just money that puts a damper on men going into elementary education: Teaching grade school students has traditionally been seen as women's work.

Notice no male teachers commented on this directly for the article. That is because it is pure NEA spin. The Peace Corps has never been a place to make money, but it is 41% male. The real reasons that guys don't become teachers are that they are not welcome by the ed schools, not welcome by the teachers' unions, and not welcome by the school administration. Once they pass these gauntlets, they have to be on active guard against any hint of perceived impropriety, since any allegation is likely to result in being blacklisted by the school district and a forced resignation and blot on one's resume: the administration usually finds it is easier to presume guilt rather than innocence.

In short, male teachers are discriminated against at every turn. That is the real story and the elephant in the living room. You can be fairly sure that an article on male teachers is just so much bias and spin if it misses something as big and as obvious as this.

20 posted on 10/20/2007 10:06:09 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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