Posted on 10/18/2007 3:39:56 PM PDT by wagglebee
And we've seen the same thing here with the FRiberal Rooty Rooters.
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A while back, I asked someone here what value or stand they wouldn't abandon just to get a "R" win. They basically said "Nothing. Party is all that matters".
When I posted more frequently, there were some who would try to blame me and every other Christian for the loss in '06, just like they will in '08 if Rudy is nominated. What they fail to realize is that there are those of us who consider our standing before God before our standing in the GOP.
Pretty well written article.
But even if some values voters would hold their noses and vote for Giuliani , almost none of the nation’s values voters are going to get excited enough to supply the time, money and buzz needed to create the synergy of a successful campaign. A candidate can’t win if their core base is so disgusted with their party’s nominee that they can’t bring themselves to contribute money or time for door-knocking and promoting their candidate to their community. All the energy that comes with a popular campaign just wouldn’t exist. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, except for some public polish to make her appear more palatable to the middle, is made-to-order for the far Left.
There are freaks on both sides.
That would be dumb. Best solution is no Rudy. However, Value Voters maybe want to keep their power dry rather then shoot themselves in the foot by issuing ultimates.
Judges imposed Roe V Wade, Judges will overturn it. With the GOP Value Voters have a seat at the table. With any Leftist, you will not only NOT have a seat at the table, you will lose some of the ground the Pro Life movement has made over the last 15 years.
How is this demonstrably different from electing Rooty Toot who will ALSO appoint three leftist justices to the Supreme Court?
With any Leftist, you will not only NOT have a seat at the table, you will lose some of the ground the Pro Life movement has made over the last 15 years.
Exactly! Rooty is a LEFTIST!
They dont have a seat at the table w liberal Giuliani
You know the GOP is a loser if they have to rely on “if you dont vote for so-and-so GOP, Hillary wins”. Its time for the GOP to get back to its conservative values, not to Bush liberalism
versus electing Rudy so that he can appoint 3 leftist judges to the supreme court and call them “Republican.”
do you know why Bill Clinton was impeached? it wasn’t because he raised taxes or cut defense or because of his other liberal positions. No, it was because he was a scummy guy and the last thing I want to see is that from the GOP.
I get the same treatment. I keep telling the FR RINO's here that Christians aren't the problem, Guliani is. You can't force me to vote for a liberal by putting an "R" behind his name. Jeffords has as much chance as Rooty to get my vote. If the Republicans can't give me someone to vote FOR, then it looks like Hillary to me. Republicans will slink back into obscurity for 60 years if they dis the Christians and suck up to the Rockerfella's. It is just as important to block homosexual marraige and abortion as get a tax cut if you want to win the vote.
“... blaming of conservative voters for leaving a party that has already left them ...”
If the Party leaves us, I don’t think it will be coming back.
I’ve heard Rudy say he would close the borders. What is his stand on Amnesty?
I'll use myself as an example. I don't promote Rudy here on FR, because Jim has made it clear that it's a bannable offense. However, it's no secret that I've supported Rudy from the beginning.
Now, am I bullying anyone? No. The proof is in the pudding, I'm not trying to exort a vote by threatening to help elect a Democrat should Rudy lose the primary. If Thompson wins the primary, he's got my vote. If Romney wins the Primary, he has my vote. If Hunter wins the primary, I'm Hunter's man. If...well, you get the point by now, I hope.
However, the charge of bullying is accurate when someone threatens to help elect the opposition should their candidate not win the primary. When someone says, "If Hunter wins the nomination, I'm going to vote 3rd party." knowing full well that a divided GOP will fall before the Democrat nominee, then yes, it's trying to extort a primary vote and that's bullying.
The GOP will collapse like the Whigs if conservatives leave.
Rooty Toot is NEVER going to close the borders and he turned NYC into a sanctuary city for illegal aliens.
Turn that around. What are you willing to compromise on to get your principals advanced? Only in God is perfection found. Nothing in human life, especially not politics, is going to be perfect. So what are YOU willing to give on to advance your political agenda?
From your posting it is obvious you define everything you personally want as "Standing on principals" That feed the shouters egos, it does nothing to advance a pro-Life political agenda.
Which is abandoning principal? Staying in the fight in the hopes of getting something done on your issue, or quitting the fight because it isn't going your way?
Standing on Principal means fight for your views even when times are looking grim. It is not "standing on principal" to throwing your hands in the air and screaming "You're not doing what I want so a pox on all of you.
Using the logic being expressed here, by self proclaimed "Standing on Principals Freepers" a 3 year old throwing a temper-tantrum is "Standing on Principals"
NO the toddler is engaging in wholly self destructive emotional grandstanding. So are all the supposed adult Freepers who continually define their own personal opinions being immediately gratified at every turn with "Standing on Principals.
With the GOP most, if not all, of your values are being advanced and strengthen. On Judges alone the GOP has done more good for Value Voters in the last 7 years then the Democrats ever will.
With the Democrats, Value Voters get 100% of what they claim to loath imposed on them. With the GOP, Value Voters have a seat at the table when Judges are nominated, legislation is crafted ect.
Demanding the you get only 100% of what you personally want and nothing you oppose, is NOT "Standing on Principal"
I asked this on another thread, but no one answered:
“The questions in electoral politics are:
Which states will turn from ‘red’ to ‘blue’ based on the GOP nominee?
Will the Southern Block become blue?
All other questions are navel gazing....”
Maybe someone can respond on this thread....
First we need a real Republican. Someone who will not give in to the head-chopper lobby, the race industry lobby, the alternative lifestyle lobby.
Doesn’t look good.
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