Posted on 10/18/2007 3:39:56 PM PDT by wagglebee
Good article. If it comes down to a liberal vs. a liberal, I can promise you I won’t vote for the liberal.
OK, so they filibuster, then, after the election the Dems are still in power? Same questions from me, different year.
If the GOP wins, they will be a pain, but eventually confirm. If Hitlery wins, they will give her whoever she wants.
Giuliani is polling ahead of Clinton in MO. Missouri has been leaning left for a couple of years now...Giuliani will take it back in 2008...
If it comes to that, then "A plague o' both your houses!"
Okay, so you’re saying if Giuliani wins the primary, God is punishing you? Why should you be punished?
Even if that’s true, it doesn’t matter. Rooty WILL lose red states (and plenty of them) and WON’T win any blue states. No matter what the final tally, my prediction is that we lose at least 100 electoral votes if Rooty is nominated.
I don’t believe this is happening again. Rooty Toot? Why does this forum have to devolve into this childish nonsense? Liberal watchers go orgasmic when they see this kind of divisiveness (and frankly silliness) among conservatives. By the logic I’m seeing here, we NEVER should have supported the atheist Soviets OR opposed their enemies during WWII. The Soviet Union and eventually Britain would have fallen and Nazis would almost certainly have dominated all of Europe with all the attendent, obvious consequences, but at least we would have adhered to strict, uncompromising principle. Just as certainly, with Hillary as president, we’ll have an overwhelmingly PRO PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION SCOTUS for the balance of a lot of people’s lifetimes. I’m sorry but this is NUTS.
It’s not my place to say how FR should be but it is really nice when folks can voice their differences, accept others’ differences, and then rejoin the common front against the real enemies of America and of liberty everywhere. Giuliani says he would appoint constructionists to the bench. I can’t say with absolute certainty that he will but nor do I have any reason to believe he’ll brazenly renege on that promise. I can say (and everyone knows) exactly what Hillary would do.
However, this is a CONSERVATIVE web forum and we oppose liberals, no matter what letter comes after their names. The real enemy of America is the left and Rooty Toot is a leftist, therefore he is the enemy.
We’ll just to have to see in November when the time comes...if Giuliani joins up with McCain as it looks at this point, they will hold all the Red states except for OH and have a good shot at PA, MI, CA, WI...
Rooty Toots IS NOT getting the nomination, so we will never know.
Bullhockey. The above shows a total ignorance or a total disregard (I don't know which) of/for the primary system. To think that we could win nationally with a candidate who can't even win a primary is absolutely insane. Whoever wins the primary is the strongest candidate, period, end of story. If you can't convince your own party to vote for you in the primary, how in the world could possibly hope to convince anyone outside of the party to vote for you? Think about that for a minute.
It is a conservative site and I’m a cast iron conservative. When the chips are down, I’ll do ANYTHING to prevent our nation from becoming the Godless, marxist/facsist, bankrupt, third world moral cesspool Hillary and her ilk would make it. In the interest of comity, I’ll concede this: if a Rudy nomination, for whatever reason, means Hillary wins, then I do pray to God from the depths of my being we get a different nominee. If it’s Rudy vs. Hillary, however, I’d feel inexcusably irresponsible if I didn’t vote Rudy.
Rooty = Hitlery in a dress!
If I was back home (Chuck Hagel’s district), I would have probably voted for my dog and called it a wash :)
I remember those arguments when Arnold was running for Gov of CA. And boy, he's really delivered - hasn't he!
With Rudy, we'll have a seat at the table - just like we do with Arnold. Anyone who wants to know how a Rudy presidency will look need only turn left and look at California.
I can hardly wait...
Not voting for rooody does not equal staying home and not voting at all. I will assume everyone here is intelligent enough to vote on the down ticket races and against tax increases, etc. that are on the ballot. Rudy is a no go for me, but I won’t be staying home on election day!
Hillary’s a Marxist. Rudy’s less conservative than we’d want in a perfect world and pretty liberal on some social issues. If I agreed he was a male Hillary, I’d be as adamant as you about this. I don’t. Rudy isn’t a Reagan but he doesn’t shrink from fighting America’s enemies, here and abroad - or calling them what they are. There are lots of people I’d prefer over Rudy. There were lots of people I’d have taken over GWB. I voted for Bush twice. I’ll vote for Giuliani if he’s our candidate. We each know where the other stands. Let’s agree to disagree on this issue and exert our efforts where they’ll maybe do some good.
Remember when we said the goal was to reduce the size of government? Well, I compromised on that. There is no longer a “limited government” platform in the GOP (wasn’t practical). Now the prior GOP congress tried mightily to out spend the previous ones, and came darn close (not counting defense spending). They passed the prescription drug package, which along with Medicare and other entitlements is going to only grow in cost. But while I didn’t like that, I still stood with the GOP.
Then there is the actual topic of defense. Yes, the current military has done a lot and deserves the credit for it, but here we are 6 years after 9-11 and we are not even keeping up with the equipment repairs, much less building a better and stronger force. We should be increasing the military in a time of war, not relying on “security contractors” to do the job. But that wasn’t a politically practical thing to push through Congress, so we compromised on that.
Then there is illegal immigration. Well, while the rank and file don’t like the massive flood of illegals, the party said “Oh we need them”. On this there was stand made by the grass roots, but the president and many other GOP leaders just thumbed their noses at the base and called them racist. Again, against my better judgment, I can and would still support the GOP.
But now we are to the abortion issue. Looking at all the other issues that I mentioned, and many others, I know that if this is “compromised”, it will soon disappear from the party plank. You say we should support Rudy, since other wise we (as pro life voters) won’t have a seat at the table. In reality, if Rudy is the nominee, we won’t no matter what.
You have to make a stand somewhere. That is something that the GOP has forgotten these last few years.
Oh, I have. Here's what I think. Guiliani is going to win the Republican nomination. He is the strongest candidate. Sure, he isn't doing so hot among FReepers but out there in the real world a lot of people like this guy. With the primaries right around the corner, nobody else seems to be getting much traction. Now whose fault is it that the current Republican frontrunner doesn't appeal to Christian conservatives --a core Republican constituency? I think this says more about the waning political influence of the religious right than it does about the GOP.
Now, if Guiliani is trounced by Clinton, the blame will be placed on the fact that Guiliani did not appeal to the social conservative base. If Guiliani wins the presidency? Well... That changes everything.
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