[wagglebee]

Rather, I think the liberal element within the Republican Party is trying to bully conservatives and average voters into accepting Giuliani as the "default" candidate. I think the case could easily be made that the "religious right" is being bullied by establishment "country club" Republicans who have, with their large contributions and influence in societal discussion have been bullying values voters into a choice between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat--not much of a choice for people concerned about the erosion of traditional values.

And we've seen the same thing here with the FRiberal Rooty Rooters.

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[redgolum]

What I find the most short-sighted about this statement is that it assumes the "religious right" is bullying. Rather, I think the liberal element within the Republican Party is trying to bully conservatives and average voters into accepting Giuliani as the "default" candidate. I think the case could easily be made that the "religious right" is being bullied by establishment "country club" Republicans who have, with their large contributions and influence in societal discussion have been bullying values voters into a choice between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat--not much of a choice for people concerned about the erosion of traditional values.

A while back, I asked someone here what value or stand they wouldn't abandon just to get a "R" win. They basically said "Nothing. Party is all that matters".

When I posted more frequently, there were some who would try to blame me and every other Christian for the loss in '06, just like they will in '08 if Rudy is nominated. What they fail to realize is that there are those of us who consider our standing before God before our standing in the GOP.

[Kevmo]

Pretty well written article.

But even if some values voters would hold their noses and vote for Giuliani , almost none of the nation’s values voters are going to get excited enough to supply the time, money and buzz needed to create the synergy of a successful campaign. A candidate can’t win if their core base is so disgusted with their party’s nominee that they can’t bring themselves to contribute money or time for door-knocking and promoting their candidate to their community. All the energy that comes with a popular campaign just wouldn’t exist. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton, except for some public polish to make her appear more palatable to the middle, is made-to-order for the far Left.

[freekitty]

There are freaks on both sides.

[MNJohnnie]

Ok so I should dump the GOP and help the Dems elect Hillary so she can appoint 3 Leftist Judges to the Supreme Court in her 1st term and put Roe V Wade beyond all possible chance of overturning for the rest of my life?

That would be dumb. Best solution is no Rudy. However, Value Voters maybe want to keep their power dry rather then shoot themselves in the foot by issuing ultimates.

Judges imposed Roe V Wade, Judges will overturn it. With the GOP Value Voters have a seat at the table. With any Leftist, you will not only NOT have a seat at the table, you will lose some of the ground the Pro Life movement has made over the last 15 years.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“... blaming of conservative voters for leaving a party that has already left them ...”

If the Party leaves us, I don’t think it will be coming back.

[Haddit]

I’ve heard Rudy say he would close the borders. What is his stand on Amnesty?

[Melas]

Sorry, but this piece doesn't address why the charge of bullying is being leveled. I'll explain it, and it will be clear why the charge of bullying by the so-called country club Republicans is unfounded.

I'll use myself as an example. I don't promote Rudy here on FR, because Jim has made it clear that it's a bannable offense. However, it's no secret that I've supported Rudy from the beginning.

Now, am I bullying anyone? No. The proof is in the pudding, I'm not trying to exort a vote by threatening to help elect a Democrat should Rudy lose the primary. If Thompson wins the primary, he's got my vote. If Romney wins the Primary, he has my vote. If Hunter wins the primary, I'm Hunter's man. If...well, you get the point by now, I hope.

However, the charge of bullying is accurate when someone threatens to help elect the opposition should their candidate not win the primary. When someone says, "If Hunter wins the nomination, I'm going to vote 3rd party." knowing full well that a divided GOP will fall before the Democrat nominee, then yes, it's trying to extort a primary vote and that's bullying.

[dakine]

I asked this on another thread, but no one answered:

“The questions in electoral politics are:

Which states will turn from ‘red’ to ‘blue’ based on the GOP nominee?
Will the Southern Block become blue?

All other questions are navel gazing....”

Maybe someone can respond on this thread....

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

First we need a real Republican. Someone who will not give in to the head-chopper lobby, the race industry lobby, the alternative lifestyle lobby.
Doesn’t look good.

[MNJohnnie]

Simple. Get behind someone and beat Rudy. Take a look at the way "Value Voters" respond to everyone who challenges them on this.

Those answers demonstrates they are acting our of ego and anger not in God's spirit. The issue of life is WAY more important then validating any person's ego and anger. Nothing in life is perfect. Adults understand this. 51% of something is WAY better then 100% of what we oppose.

[PrepareToLeave]

Geez, it’s about time!

[Don Corleone]

Walk away from a Republican to elect a Liberal Marxist who espouses the same agenda...only more so. I hope not!

[cpforlife.org]

It seems we conservatives need a Republican Presidential Primary awareness project.

Many people don’t realize how important it is.

Any suggestions? Is there an existing website?

[pray4liberty]

I won't be bullied into voting for Ghouly. He and Hillary are the head and the tail of the same corrupt coin. That's not what I call choice.

It would serve them right if they both lost their primaries, and please join with me in prayer that they do.

Father God, please do not punish your servants with evil leaders. I ask this in the Name of Your Son Jesus, Amen.

[Pinkbell]

Good article. If it comes down to a liberal vs. a liberal, I can promise you I won’t vote for the liberal.

[Redcloak]

[E]stablishment "country club" Republicans... have been bullying values voters into a choice between a liberal Republican and a liberal Democrat

If it comes to that, then "A plague o' both your houses!"

[denydenydeny]

Every election I hear the same thing: the “values voters” stayed home this year, if only they’d voted, blah blah blah.

I’m wondering if they ever, in fact, vote at all.