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To: redgolum
A while back, I asked someone here what value or stand they wouldn't abandon just to get a "R" win

Turn that around. What are you willing to compromise on to get your principals advanced? Only in God is perfection found. Nothing in human life, especially not politics, is going to be perfect. So what are YOU willing to give on to advance your political agenda?

From your posting it is obvious you define everything you personally want as "Standing on principals" That feed the shouters egos, it does nothing to advance a pro-Life political agenda.

Which is abandoning principal? Staying in the fight in the hopes of getting something done on your issue, or quitting the fight because it isn't going your way?

Standing on Principal means fight for your views even when times are looking grim. It is not "standing on principal" to throwing your hands in the air and screaming "You're not doing what I want so a pox on all of you.

Using the logic being expressed here, by self proclaimed "Standing on Principals Freepers" a 3 year old throwing a temper-tantrum is "Standing on Principals"

NO the toddler is engaging in wholly self destructive emotional grandstanding. So are all the supposed adult Freepers who continually define their own personal opinions being immediately gratified at every turn with "Standing on Principals.

With the GOP most, if not all, of your values are being advanced and strengthen. On Judges alone the GOP has done more good for Value Voters in the last 7 years then the Democrats ever will.

With the Democrats, Value Voters get 100% of what they claim to loath imposed on them. With the GOP, Value Voters have a seat at the table when Judges are nominated, legislation is crafted ect.

Demanding the you get only 100% of what you personally want and nothing you oppose, is NOT "Standing on Principal"

18 posted on 10/18/2007 4:08:08 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Yo Democrats : Don't tell us how to fight the war, we will not tell you how to be the village idiots)
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To: MNJohnnie; wagglebee
When I first became of poltics, and where I should stand, I looked at the stated platforms for the Republican party. It was during the early 80’s, under Ronald Regan.

Remember when we said the goal was to reduce the size of government? Well, I compromised on that. There is no longer a “limited government” platform in the GOP (wasn’t practical). Now the prior GOP congress tried mightily to out spend the previous ones, and came darn close (not counting defense spending). They passed the prescription drug package, which along with Medicare and other entitlements is going to only grow in cost. But while I didn’t like that, I still stood with the GOP.

Then there is the actual topic of defense. Yes, the current military has done a lot and deserves the credit for it, but here we are 6 years after 9-11 and we are not even keeping up with the equipment repairs, much less building a better and stronger force. We should be increasing the military in a time of war, not relying on “security contractors” to do the job. But that wasn’t a politically practical thing to push through Congress, so we compromised on that.

Then there is illegal immigration. Well, while the rank and file don’t like the massive flood of illegals, the party said “Oh we need them”. On this there was stand made by the grass roots, but the president and many other GOP leaders just thumbed their noses at the base and called them racist. Again, against my better judgment, I can and would still support the GOP.

But now we are to the abortion issue. Looking at all the other issues that I mentioned, and many others, I know that if this is “compromised”, it will soon disappear from the party plank. You say we should support Rudy, since other wise we (as pro life voters) won’t have a seat at the table. In reality, if Rudy is the nominee, we won’t no matter what.

You have to make a stand somewhere. That is something that the GOP has forgotten these last few years.

59 posted on 10/18/2007 5:42:02 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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