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About Evil
American Thinker ^ | October 16, 2007 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 10/16/2007 3:49:18 PM PDT by neverdem

Man has long asked how a loving God could allow evil to exist in the world.  It's an age-old philosophical question that can cause those who want faith to doubt and those who want to doubt to mock faith.  A Christian's answer to this question is "free will," a concept critics may regard as something reduced to a convenient cliché.  The truth is, though, that this is a most fascinating subject to inquisitive minds.

The two qualities that make us like God are intellect and free will, despite the fact that the former can seem as lacking as the latter is abused.  Why intellect has prerequisite status is obvious, but why free will?  If God is omnipotent, He can prevent the immeasurable pain and suffering we inflict on one another with the blink of an eternal eye.  Why doesn't He do it?  Perhaps this problem is what caused people such as Thomas Jefferson to embrace deism, the belief that God set the Universe in motion but then receded into the background, indifferent to our plight.  So let's examine free will.

Imagine you have a child, and technology has advanced to a point where you can implant a computer chip in his brain, one that would ensure he never acted wrongly.  If everyone were thus controlled, we would have a world in which everyday transgressions were unknown.  Yet, would you view this as an acceptable remedy for your child's human frailty?

A good father certainly would not, for it would render the child something less than human.  He would then be nothing more than an organic robot, an automaton, controlled by an outside agency whose will has supplanted his own.  Just picture the Borg in Star Trek.

After all, what of love?  While a child thus controlled would behave in ways that may seem loving in a superficial sense, he would not be acting out of love at all.  We only exhibit love when we could be hateful,  but choose to be loving instead.

As to this, think about how much more we appreciate aid rendered voluntarily than that which is coerced.  When starving, we may certainly be happy to receive a meal from a man who has a gun to his head, but it sates our soul as well as stomach when he helps us with a happy heart and of his own accord.  Likewise, it's considered a mitigating circumstance when a person is coerced into committing a crime.  (Note: these examples involve incomplete consent of the will due to duress, not the elimination of free will, as my computer-chip hypothetical does.)  Or, think about dolphins trained by the military to detect mines in the ocean, attack enemy divers or plant explosives on ships.  While we certainly may appreciate what these animals can do, it cannot be compared to the conscious decision made when a man accepts the risk to life and limb on a bomb squad; the dolphin acts in accordance with his training -- or programming, as it were -- whereas the man has made a decision to risk his life with full knowledge and consent of the will.  Intellect and free will are what separate us from the animal kingdom.

Getting back to our hypothetical child, a good parent wants him to be more than just controlled.  Sure, when he is young, he may be watched continually and his life micromanaged, owing to his immature state.  As he grows, however, we can loosen the reins commensurate with his increasing capacity to govern himself from within.  And we look forward to the day when he will exercise his free will rightly, for only then will he have come to full flower as a human being.

If we fail in this task of moral formation and the child goes astray, he may end up in prison, a place where his ability to exercise his free will is limited.  From a moral standpoint, we then may consider him to be a malformed human being.  Were he to not have free will in the first place, however, he would be something less than a human being.

Then, when saying that we cannot believe in God because of the existence of evil, we accept a contradiction.  If God doesn't exist, how can we label a position evil with credibility?  If man is the author of what we call right and wrong, if morality is all a matter of opinion, then there is no evil in any real sense.  In other words, if we are judging some things to be good and others evil, we have to ask what standard we're using as a yardstick.  If the standard is simply consensus opinion, then what we call morality falls in the realm of taste.  And if 90 percent of the world liked chocolate ice cream and disliked vanilla, we wouldn't think this rendered chocolate good and vanilla evil; it's simply a preference.  So, should we think murder was evil simply because 90 percent of the people said they didn't like it?  If there is nothing outside of man and his emotions that deems it so -- if it is not objective reality -- then it also is simply a matter of taste. 

"Oh, but it involves death, not dessert.  C'mon, it's morality!" say the critics?  Sure, your feelings may tell you this distinction is significant, but if it doesn't accord with external reality, those feelings are in error.  They are then simply biases, ones powerful enough to evoke passion, but biases nonetheless.  And those very different terms, taste and morality, would be nothing but semantics.

So, for "good" and "evil" to truly be reckoned as such, the standard we use cannot merely be taste masquerading as "values."  And since man is being judged (we are, after all, talking about our actions), he cannot be the standard, for a standard cannot judge itself any more than a board can be used to measure itself for a carpentry project.  For a standard to judge what is good and evil, it must be both outside and above them, in which case that standard starts to sound an awful lot like God.

So it's ironic: Some find the existence of evil to be convincing proof God doesn't exist, but the Truth is that the existence of evil would prove God does exist.

When we look around us at man's inhumanity to man, it may seem a high price to pay for free will.  Yet, when pondering how much we value freedom and have often sacrificed for it, the matter is illuminated.  Our Founding Fathers and many others were willing to shed blood, both theirs and others, and risk their wealth, land and status for that cherished value.  If in our finer moments we are willing to endure hardship and misery so that we will not be puppets of the worldly, it should surprise us not that He who has only fine moments would allow us to endure same so that we would not be puppets of the divine.  The difference is that what man offers his brother only when there is a full flowering of the human spirit, He grants without reservation so that the spirit may be truly human.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: evil; freewill; good; moralabsolutes
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1 posted on 10/16/2007 3:49:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

btt


2 posted on 10/16/2007 4:08:50 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem
If God doesn't exist, how can we label a position evil with credibility?

This is a mistake many religious people make - assuming that ethics and morality must be based in religion. Why? Ethics, morality and the concept of fair play are based in empathy, a quality that even some animals apparently share. Compassion is not the same thing as acting under fear of punishment by some divine disciplinarian looking over your shoulder.
3 posted on 10/16/2007 4:12:00 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: neverdem
Man has long asked how a loving God could allow evil to exist in the world.

It is part of the collateral damage leading to a God-worthy end.

4 posted on 10/16/2007 4:23:27 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

You are describing a preference...and a momentary one.

The animal could just as easily have attacked you. And the next time it might.


5 posted on 10/16/2007 4:28:24 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to murder your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Compassion is not the same thing as acting under fear of punishment by some divine disciplinarian looking over your shoulder.

Perhaps, but I'll bet a lot of human beings have NOT done a lot of bad things precisely because they believe that there is a "divine disciplinarian" looking over their shoulder, and not solely due to genetically inherited "instincts".

6 posted on 10/16/2007 4:39:00 PM PDT by Recovering Hermit ("A liberal feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Ethics, morality and the concept of fair play are based in empathy, a quality that even some animals apparently share.

I believe morality can be sourced to the survivability of individuals and the survivability of the various systems they identify themselves with. What to do and not to do and when, in terms of survivability and viability is as much a spiritual pursuit as it is a conscious/ethical/legal effort. Believing morality is something that can be derived consciously, or even logically, is a mistake. The inherent complexities of the world we live in are beyond conscious comprehension.

God is described by many cultures as a conscious manifestation of ultimate authority; omnipotent and omnipresent. Our perception of God occurs and is formulated regardless of whether or not God actually exists. Our perception of evil occurs when we sense an affront to our perception of God. Evil validates that we sense God's existence but does not prove God exists. Otherwise, what would be the purpose of faith?

This is a fascinating article. I really enjoyed reading it and thinking about it.

7 posted on 10/16/2007 4:40:03 PM PDT by humint (...err the least and endure! VDH)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"Ethics, morality and the concept of fair play are based in empathy, a quality that even some animals apparently share."

That's because God created the animals too. ;-)

8 posted on 10/16/2007 4:53:48 PM PDT by magellan
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To: neverdem

Where the existence of God is concerned, some have questions that need answers while some have questions that answer needs. Only the questioner can really know which one he is.


9 posted on 10/16/2007 5:05:32 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Humans are the ultimate predator...

Predators are not known for mercy.


10 posted on 10/16/2007 5:12:49 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (TAZ:Untamed, Unpredictable, Uninhibited.)
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To: neverdem
The two qualities that make us like God are intellect and free will...

Not to mention many others, but one of my favorites is creativity. Both are creators.
11 posted on 10/16/2007 5:27:32 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: xzins
It is part of the collateral damage leading to a God-worthy end.

Very nice. Excellently and succinctly put. The playing out of the various outcomes of evil are part of the process of a fair and just God, while encouraging individualism rather than robotic obedience, addressing the charges of "unfair" and "arbitrary" in regard to his laws and moral authority. Ultimately, every intelligent being in the Universe will have had more than enough incontrovertible proof of the destructive outcome of the departure from the principles of God's government. This is what guarantees that disobendience or evil will never arise again throughout eternity.

12 posted on 10/16/2007 5:29:15 PM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: Blind Eye Jones
Both are creators.

And science has possibly caught a glimpse of this reality as it discovers some of the mysteries of the realm of quantum physics and the creative power of the "observer".

13 posted on 10/16/2007 5:32:35 PM PDT by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“This is a mistake many religious people make - assuming that ethics and morality must be based in religion. Why? Ethics, morality and the concept of fair play are based in empathy, a quality that even some animals apparently share.”

No, we are basing morality on God, not “religion.” Your own belief is a blind faith assumption in itself. You have arbitrarily picked one animal behavior and called it a ‘foundation’ for morality, but we could just as easily cite opposite behaviors in the animal world. As Dr. Jonathan Sarfati pointed out in his refutation of Bishop Spong, saying that homosexual behavior in animals justifies homosexual behavior in humans, would require that we also approve of woman killing and eating their spouses, just like some spiders do!

Studying the animal world (nature) only tells us what nature *is*, not what it *ought to be*. There is no way to make the jump from science (what the world is) to moral standards (what the world ought to be) without relying on something transcendant; that is, something not sourced in merely the material world.


14 posted on 10/16/2007 5:40:09 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"Ethics, morality and fair play based on empathy."

Sorry, empathy is not strong enough to beat the baser emotions like fear, greed, lust, envy, jealousy, etc. A society can run quite a long time with a social code that is non-empathetic -- that allows and legalizes much immorality, much non-fair play.

There have been many such -- even MOST societies organized under potentates or legal codes had fatal flaws, morality-wise, fair-play wise. They can last a long time, but not forever.

15 posted on 10/16/2007 5:53:03 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Prince Caspian
Ultimately, every intelligent being in the Universe will have had more than enough incontrovertible proof of the destructive outcome of the departure from the principles of God's government.

All will know the long-suffering of God and the righteousness of God's judgement.

16 posted on 10/16/2007 5:56:48 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Ethics, morality and the concept of fair play are based in empathy, a quality that even some animals apparently share.

Perhaps animals display empathy, perhaps not, regardless they certainly don't display ethics, morality, or fair play.

Besides, your assertion that those things are based on empathy has no support that I've ever seen. On what do you base your opinion?

17 posted on 10/16/2007 6:04:48 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Liberty1970

“There is no way to make the jump from science (what the world is) to moral standards (what the world ought to be) without relying on something transcendant; that is, something not sourced in merely the material world.”

Incidentally, that just happens to be a very acute critique of the fallacy of Marxist dogma.


18 posted on 10/16/2007 6:10:46 PM PDT by Menmy38
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To: Prince Caspian

The scientist can turn his eye inwards, but I wonder if science can and still be considered science. “Creativity” traditionally isn’t recognized by science, which deals with the material universe. It is on the prescientific level that the scientist, as a man, recognizes creativity. The usual assumption of science is that creativity, soul, God, etc., can all be reduced to the functioning of the brain — that the mind, consciousness and all its wondrous qualities is, in the end, a product of materialism. Ironically, science rests on prescience. In other words, science cannot support itself.


19 posted on 10/16/2007 6:14:58 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Some living things on this planet have achieved three active sources in their living behavior mechanism: will, emotion, mind, for want of better terms for the soul. One animal on the planet has yet a higher aspect we call spirit, which has given mankind a sense of a higher dimensional state than mere self and other in the animal sense. By our reckoning it took billions of years to reach the point where one in the animal kingdom became capable of utilizing the spirit to function with the soul/behavior mechanism and thus the Creator introduced this aspect.

Having brought this highest (for now) order created animal into existence, there are certain instructional processes needed to perfect the new creation. If the value of free choice (to acknowledge the Creator or not as sovereign in His creation) is as we believe, self destruction must be one possibility. Don't choose that path for your spirit.

20 posted on 10/16/2007 6:18:41 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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