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Lessons learned, and relearned, and relearned...
10/16/2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/15/2007 10:56:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I'm sure we've all learned many lessons recently on who to elect or not elect. I'm going to start with a few and hope other FReepers add to and expand on the list (don't ask me how I know about these):

Never ever compromise with the liberals. Compromise with liberals is a one way street. They win, we lose. I've never seen the liberals compromise with us for less socialism and more freedom.

Never ever negotiate for your rights. You already own them. They can't give you any additional rights and any you give up are gone for good. Hold the line. Never give in. Never give up.

Never ever support or vote for a known RINO. They'll betray you every time and you'll always regret it in the end.

Never ever vote for or support a known abortionist. If a man approves the taking of the most innocent and helpless human life, how can he possibly be trusted with anything else.

Never ever vote for or support a known gay activist or supporter of gay rights. It's not about equality or fairness or compassion or any other liberal malarkey. The gay agenda is all about removing human decency and morality from our society. The end result is anything goes when it comes to perverted public sexuality. At your expense. At your children's expense. At the loss of your basic rights to free speech, free religion and freedom to raise your children as you feel best. It's about the government forcing homosexuality onto an unwilling public. It's about forcing employers to employ cross dressers and other perverts against their will. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund sex change operations. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund healthcare to treat homosexuals and those they infect with the inevitable diseases they spread with their vile activities. It's about forcing schools to indoctrinate your children into the "homosexual lifestyle" against your will. Against their will. It's about giving up your first amendment right to speak out against homosexuality. It's about giving up your first amendment right to freely exercise your religion. It's about controlling what you say, and what your preachers are "permitted" to say from the pulpit. It's about making speaking out against homosexuality a thought crime and banning the Holy Bible as hate material. It's about forcing homosexual marriage onto an unwilling society. It's about condemning Christians and Christianity. Don't go compassionate on these evil Marxist bastards. There is nothing "gay" in homosexuality and no freedom in "gay rights."

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on national defense, national security, national sovereignty.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on border security.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on defending the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, or any of our constitutional rights.

Never ever support or elect anyone claiming to be a "compassionate conservative." Hold out for the real deal. No nonsense, hard as nails conservatives in all areas, social, fiscal, national security, etc. Any candidate who willingly compromises in any one area will compromise in any other area. Your freedom is at risk. Our Republic is at risk.

"Republicans" who try to convince you to overlook a candidate's liberal positions on abortion, gay rights, free speech, free religion, gun control, property rights, federalism, judicial activism, illegal aliens, socialized healthcare, taxes, spending, national security, sovereignty etc, are doing you no favors. Never compromise on the principles and values you hold dear.

Never ever support or vote for known big government or big spending candidates. Big government is never the solution to any of our problems. Hold out for fiscal responsibility on everything. Hold out for local control on everything not expressly enumerated to the federal government in the constitution. Ninety percent of our current federal government is unconstitutional. We don't want our congress working "for" us. Don't add to our problems. Start working on dismantling the federal behemoth and returning the power to the states and the people as originally intended.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; constitution; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; elections; fred; fredthompson; gop; leftoftedkennedy; republicans; rinorudy; rudymcromney; rudymcromneybee; thompson
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To: BlueDragon
But should I hold out for pie in the sky, too?

The real issue is not "pie in the sky," but B.S. underfoot. It's not asking for "pie in the sky" to demand that "Republicans" who advocate higher taxes, more gun control, and more abortion are not welcome in the party and not fit to lead. It's plain common sense.
81 posted on 10/16/2007 12:21:25 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: cowboyway

Never vote for or support a candidate that is not for the dismantling of social security.
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yes, but I don’t think this private account idea will work. the government should just cut payroll taxes and benefits (raise min age, means test benefits, etc)


82 posted on 10/16/2007 12:23:30 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Amen. Its time we began asking every GOP candidate whether they subscribe to the above principles. We must cease supporting the lesser of two evils out fear the Democrats might win. I'm on the side of good and an optimist when I say we will win when we are true to ourselves and know the right as God gives us to see the right. Let's ask nothing but the highest standards of our party's next presidential candidates and indeed, of all of our party's candidates in the next election.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

83 posted on 10/16/2007 12:24:05 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am already awake, Jim. As I said to you, I am working against Rudy. But, if it turns out that it is Rudy v Hillary, I would consider anyone who voted 3rd party or stayed home a traitor.

There is NO WAY Hillary can be allowed to reside in the WH!


84 posted on 10/16/2007 12:24:52 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jim Robinson; DaveLoneRanger

Looks to me that if we’re going to have to start a grass roots movement, it needs to start HERE, on FR.

And Dave, I couldn’t agree more with you about growing wary of Fred Thompson. In fact, I’ve been considering changing my tag line of late. So far, he’s a yawner.


85 posted on 10/16/2007 12:24:59 AM PDT by Humidston (THOMPSON/WATTS - 2008)
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To: mkjessup
no less than Richard Viguerie

First time I worked with Dick Vigurie was 45 years ago, at the 1st national YAF office in NYC. I don't think that someone who opposed nominating Reagan is a perfect conservative political analyst! (Same thing was true of Senators Goldwater, Tower, and Thurmond).

86 posted on 10/16/2007 12:25:52 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“”Never ever vote for or support a known abortionist.”
Big bump.
That would be voting for or supporting a supporter of murder.”

Worse than that - supporting an abortionist is, well, supporting abortion... That’s what Rudy-ites can’t seem to wrap their heads around. Some say not voting for Giuliani is like voting for Hillary, but it’s not. If I vote for Rudy, it means I’ve CONDONED his pro-abortion stance, and rubber stamped it.

Like the original post says - once you open that door for the liberals it will never be closed again. I will not be a participant in dragging the Republican party down to the Democrat level. If they choose to go there, they’re on their own as far as I’m concerned.


87 posted on 10/16/2007 12:27:03 AM PDT by COgamer
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To: Darkwolf377

“I wish we had these clear-cut choices as you seem to think we have. I can’t think of a single past Republican nominee who meets all the requirements you list.”

Isn’t that the truth! I was thinking exactly the same thing. Wish it were not so, but there is no one out there for us.


88 posted on 10/16/2007 12:29:43 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Jim Robinson
Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on defending the 1st amendment...

So much for FRed.

Remember McCain-Feingold-Thompson?

89 posted on 10/16/2007 12:30:01 AM PDT by Gelato (... a liberal is a liberal is a liberal ...)
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To: COgamer
We paid the price for deserting our principles last year. We've seen what happened to the Ontario Tories when they veered Left. If we are not for ourselves, who will be for us? When we answer that question, we shall overcome adversity ahead.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

90 posted on 10/16/2007 12:30:28 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sageb1
There is NO WAY Hillary can be allowed to reside in the WH!

Hillary and Rudy--same crap--different wrappers.
91 posted on 10/16/2007 12:30:41 AM PDT by farmer18th
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To: Jim Robinson
There is a serious freaking reason why only also-rans are running for leader of the free world.

What is this reason?

At the most perilous time in our nation's history, there is nobody that everybody can get behind?

What is the reason for this?

92 posted on 10/16/2007 12:31:15 AM PDT by txhurl (Yes there were WMDs)
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To: BykrBayb; Jim Robinson

>>>Never vote for the lesser of two evils. If both candidates are evil, write in someone who isn’t.

Never win an election. Always undercut the good in favor of the worst, because the good isn’t perfect. Then spend years complaining your agenda is pushed further and further back by the “greater evil” you helped to win. Alienate everybody who could conceivably be an ally if they fail your morality tests. Bask in the glow of the martyr.

For myself, 1) Politics by definition is the art of the compromise 2) Absolutism doesn’t work long in a democratic republic as diverse as the US 3) Ronald Reagan’s 11th Commandment.


93 posted on 10/16/2007 12:31:27 AM PDT by tlb
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To: Gelato
I can't support a candidate who won't support the First Amendment. I believe the government has no business regulating political speech. In this country, porn has more constitutional protection than speech that affects the course of our government. That's quite simply wrong, to my mind.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

94 posted on 10/16/2007 12:33:11 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

See my post #48.


95 posted on 10/16/2007 12:33:39 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Security * Unity * Prosperity | Fred08.com)
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To: farmer18th

They both have to pick a VP.


96 posted on 10/16/2007 12:36:58 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Jim Robinson

No compromise - That’s why Duncan Hunter is a good choice.


97 posted on 10/16/2007 12:42:24 AM PDT by jer33 3
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To: mkjessup

You won’t remember any of those when you’re pulling the lever for Thompson instead of Clinton.

On the other hand, pulling the lever on Giuliani means knowing he’s pro-death, on Romney it means pro-feds, on McCain it means pro-illegals.

I won’t be holding my nose when I vote for Fred in the primary and the general. I’ll be absolutely giddy at having a President who genuinely wants to dump the current tax system and prevent the courts from legislating social atrocities in abortion and gay fake-marriage.

Does Hunter even truly care about anything but China and pandering to manufacturing unions?


98 posted on 10/16/2007 12:42:37 AM PDT by Bull Market (Thompson/Paul 08 - Republicans, Libertarians, Independents MUST join forces to defeat Hitlery)
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To: Jim Robinson
As I've posted before, if you're one to hold out for the absolute, pure, 100% conservative (definitions for this word vary from person to person), and will not vote for anything else, you will lose. Almost. Every. Time.

If you're OK with that, then so be it.

Politics is about compromise. It's maddening, but it's true.

I plan to vote for the candidate who comes closest to my ideals, and who can realistically win the election.

Right now, that candidate is Mitt Romney.

99 posted on 10/16/2007 12:43:31 AM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: tlb

hillary vs mccain I’d vote mccain as lesser of 2 evils. same goes to romney, huckabee, etc.

But not rudy and that is because of abortion.


100 posted on 10/16/2007 12:46:23 AM PDT by ari-freedom (I am for traditional moral values, a strong national defense, and free markets.)
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