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Lessons learned, and relearned, and relearned...
10/16/2007 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 10/15/2007 10:56:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

I'm sure we've all learned many lessons recently on who to elect or not elect. I'm going to start with a few and hope other FReepers add to and expand on the list (don't ask me how I know about these):

Never ever compromise with the liberals. Compromise with liberals is a one way street. They win, we lose. I've never seen the liberals compromise with us for less socialism and more freedom.

Never ever negotiate for your rights. You already own them. They can't give you any additional rights and any you give up are gone for good. Hold the line. Never give in. Never give up.

Never ever support or vote for a known RINO. They'll betray you every time and you'll always regret it in the end.

Never ever vote for or support a known abortionist. If a man approves the taking of the most innocent and helpless human life, how can he possibly be trusted with anything else.

Never ever vote for or support a known gay activist or supporter of gay rights. It's not about equality or fairness or compassion or any other liberal malarkey. The gay agenda is all about removing human decency and morality from our society. The end result is anything goes when it comes to perverted public sexuality. At your expense. At your children's expense. At the loss of your basic rights to free speech, free religion and freedom to raise your children as you feel best. It's about the government forcing homosexuality onto an unwilling public. It's about forcing employers to employ cross dressers and other perverts against their will. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund sex change operations. It's about forcing the taxpayers to fund healthcare to treat homosexuals and those they infect with the inevitable diseases they spread with their vile activities. It's about forcing schools to indoctrinate your children into the "homosexual lifestyle" against your will. Against their will. It's about giving up your first amendment right to speak out against homosexuality. It's about giving up your first amendment right to freely exercise your religion. It's about controlling what you say, and what your preachers are "permitted" to say from the pulpit. It's about making speaking out against homosexuality a thought crime and banning the Holy Bible as hate material. It's about forcing homosexual marriage onto an unwilling society. It's about condemning Christians and Christianity. Don't go compassionate on these evil Marxist bastards. There is nothing "gay" in homosexuality and no freedom in "gay rights."

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on national defense, national security, national sovereignty.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on border security.

Never ever support or elect candidates who are weak on defending the 1st amendment, the 2nd amendment, or any of our constitutional rights.

Never ever support or elect anyone claiming to be a "compassionate conservative." Hold out for the real deal. No nonsense, hard as nails conservatives in all areas, social, fiscal, national security, etc. Any candidate who willingly compromises in any one area will compromise in any other area. Your freedom is at risk. Our Republic is at risk.

"Republicans" who try to convince you to overlook a candidate's liberal positions on abortion, gay rights, free speech, free religion, gun control, property rights, federalism, judicial activism, illegal aliens, socialized healthcare, taxes, spending, national security, sovereignty etc, are doing you no favors. Never compromise on the principles and values you hold dear.

Never ever support or vote for known big government or big spending candidates. Big government is never the solution to any of our problems. Hold out for fiscal responsibility on everything. Hold out for local control on everything not expressly enumerated to the federal government in the constitution. Ninety percent of our current federal government is unconstitutional. We don't want our congress working "for" us. Don't add to our problems. Start working on dismantling the federal behemoth and returning the power to the states and the people as originally intended.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2008; constitution; duncanhunter; election; electionpresident; elections; fred; fredthompson; gop; leftoftedkennedy; republicans; rinorudy; rudymcromney; rudymcromneybee; thompson
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To: mkjessup
And it isn't inaccurate to point out that after Thompson served a third of one term, (2 years after a special election in '94) and then one whole 6 year term as Senator, he chose to quit.

It is inaccurate, he didn't just quit. He quit politics after his 38-year-old daughter, Elizabeth Panici died of a prescription drug overdose:

Elizabeth Thompson Panici, who suffered from bipolar disorder, died in January 2002. Her death was a major factor in Thompson's decision two months later not to seek a second full term in the Senate, friends and colleagues said at the time.

USA Today

161 posted on 10/16/2007 7:08:05 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ari-freedom
hillary vs mccain I’d vote mccain as lesser of 2 evils. same goes to romney, huckabee, etc.

But not rudy and that is because of abortion.

I'd vote for a dead skunk over Hillary. The country's slide into the abysmal depths of despair would be slower with the dead skunk in the White House.

162 posted on 10/16/2007 7:10:40 AM PDT by TChris (Cartels (oil, diamonds, labor) are bad. Free-market competition is good.)
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To: mkjessup
Try thinking positive and stop compromising with the RINO crowd, of which Fred Thompson is their latest hood ornament.

I agree with you about Fred.

I don't believe anyone remotely acceptable to you can be elected - that's where we differ.

163 posted on 10/16/2007 7:19:04 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: GinaLolaB

Never understood knee-jerk lawyer bashing.

For every ambulance chaser, there are 10 lawyers churning away doing wills, making business deals happen, and just generally helping people get stuff done.

And, no, not a lawyer or married to one or employed by one.


164 posted on 10/16/2007 7:20:23 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
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To: umgud

>Let me add; Never ever vote for a dem at any level, even if that specific dem seems pretty good. It is not the single dem who will cause the problems, it’s the majority he/she adds to. Don’t help the dems numbers ever.

I agree. Think about this. When it comes time to redraw the congressional districts, that majority might just look for ways to put multiple incumbent republican congressmen in the same new district. Then somebodies goin’ home.


165 posted on 10/16/2007 7:21:33 AM PDT by Frank L
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To: ari-freedom

Actually,

Rudy has already stated THIS YEAR that he thinks Ruth Bader Ginsburg (The worst judge on the Supreme Court) is a good example of a constitutionalist type of judge that he would nominate.


166 posted on 10/16/2007 7:25:14 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: ravingnutter
It is inaccurate, he didn't just quit. He quit politics after his 38-year-old daughter, Elizabeth Panici died of a prescription drug overdose

So what happens if President Thompson has a personal tragedy while serving as Chief Executive?
167 posted on 10/16/2007 7:48:05 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TChris

If Mitt Romney comes closest to your ideals, then I’m sorry to inform you that your ideals have already left the building.


168 posted on 10/16/2007 7:48:33 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (John Cox 2008: Because Duncan Hunter just isn't obscure enough for me!)
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To: Jim Noble
I don't believe anyone remotely acceptable to you can be elected - that's where we differ.

Ronald Reagan was elected twice, and he was more than acceptable to me.

Lightning CAN strike twice, and you have to believe that, if we buy into the mantra that "so-and-so can't win, they're too ______ fill in the blank, conservative, extreme, uncompromising, etc.", we run the risk of creating our own self-fulfilling prophecy, instead of believing we CAN win by standing by and adhering to conservative principles, we begin to doubt ourselves and think that we CAN'T win, and that is a fatal mindset and one difficult to banish once it gets it's hooks into your thinking.

Every Sunday in the NFL: one team believes in itself, and they oftentimes pull a victory out of nowhere and beat the "invincible" opponent.

We can do that too.
169 posted on 10/16/2007 7:57:26 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: TheThirdRuffian
For every ambulance chaser, there are 10 lawyers churning away doing wills, making business deals happen, and just generally helping people get stuff done.

The reason you need lawyers to get this stuff done is that lawyers in govt. have made it impossibly complex to do so without a member of the Brotherhood as a guide. Arcane laws are crafted by govt. lawyers. Why should designating heirs to your estate take anything but a witness to your signature? Why should contracts have to have pages of boilerplate legalese instead of plain English?

99% of the things you need a lawyer for are things that other lawyers have screwed up.

170 posted on 10/16/2007 7:58:58 AM PDT by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: Darkwolf377
Bush seems to be two people--the great president who's holding steady on Iraq and taxes, and then the guy I think he might have REALLY been if 9/11 hadn't happened. If 9/11 hadn't occurred, Bush would have been a one-termer.

He could've been great. IF he had closed the border on 9/12, pushed enforcing exisiting illegal immigration laws instead of amnesty, and had cut back the spending....Instead he's done everything he could to alienate the base. And it'll be hard to get us motivated and enthusiastic again. (Especially with someone like Guiliani out in front.)
171 posted on 10/16/2007 8:12:13 AM PDT by CottonBall
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To: MSSC6644

You are SO right! I have loved everything that man has ever said. He is an exceptional spirit with a brilliant mind.

Why hasn’t there been a grand movement by the ultra conservative bunch to sweep this guy into prominence? I would vote for him in a trice.


172 posted on 10/16/2007 8:24:38 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, you have all my frustration rolled into one conversation.

I cannot vote for anyone who goes against what I believe to be the truth of America.

As you said...

"Republicans" who try to convince you to overlook a candidate's liberal positions on abortion, gay rights, free speech, free religion, gun control, property rights, federalism, judicial activism, illegal aliens, socialized healthcare, taxes, spending, national security, sovereignty etc, are doing you no favors. Never compromise on the principles and values you hold dear.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Thank you! And...

God Bless America!!!

173 posted on 10/16/2007 8:35:15 AM PDT by LadyPilgrim ((Jesus is real, He will never fail...I will serve him now, and throughout all eternity! ))
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To: mkjessup

Glad I could bring you laughter MKJ! Over here I laugh so I don’t weep, because the neighbors are fundamentalist Islamists with a mosque, a madrassa, the whole shebang. :(
I suppose the upside is that if anything inappropriate happens on my block, the FBI will know it before the cops!


174 posted on 10/16/2007 8:40:42 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (You can endorse the murder of 50 million unborn babies; but don't say "macaca.")
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To: John Valentine

According to dozens of interviews with intelligence officers, law enforcement officials, investigators, gold brokers, and sources with direct knowledge of al Qaeda financial movements in Pakistan, UAE, Europe and the U.S., the desert sheikdom of Dubai has played a key role as a depository and protector of al Qaeda wealth—particularly in the form of gold—both before and after the September 11 attacks.

Pakistani financial authorities said $2-3 million was hand-carried into Dubai each day from the port of Karachi, Pakistan, mostly to buy gold, according to the Post.

News reports indicate that the UAE has been a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Libya,

A CIA memo, “Recent High Level UAE Visits to Afghanistan,” confirmed that UAE officials were indeed in Afghanistan at a desert camp; moreover, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs-of-Staff General Hugh Shelton said in a February 5, 2004 interview that his UAE counterpart told him that he had been “hunting at a desert camp in Afghanistan.”

Dubai is the commercial capital of the UAE and was one of only three countries in the world to maintain diplomatic relations with the Taliban until shortly after September 11.

The desert Emirate is also considered the financial hub for militant Islamic groups, and federal investigators say much of the 9-11 finance moved through Dubai.

According to a U.S. intelligence source familiar with the investigation, cash flowed from Ahmad, the suspected paymaster in the UAE to Germany and the U.S., and to Florida in particular.

A senior U.S. intelligence official was quoted as saying, “Why move it [gold] through Dubai? Because there is a willful blindness there.”

At the same time as Hillary was complaining about the UAE ports deal, Bill “Bubba” Clinton was working behind the scenes to push it through and to get his friend and former press secretary, Joe Lockhart, to represent Dubai Ports World

Former President Bill Clinton is up to his eyeballs in dealings with Dubai, his former top political adviser has revealed.

Clinton is a paid agent of the crown prince of Dubai, now involved in a firestorm over its deal to take over some of the operations at six major U.S. ports. “Bill Clinton is a senior adviser - a paid adviser - to a company called Yucaipa which recently set up a relationship with a group called the Yucaipa Investment group to set up a new company called DIGL

Bill Clinton is paid by Yucaipa a percentage of the profits it makes, and Yucaipa said its profits have exceeded 40 percent in recent years. “He is a paid agent of the crown prince of Dubai. That in addition to the roughly million dollars they gave his library, in addition to the probably $600,000 in speaking fees he got, and in addition to the scholarships for Dubai children they endowed through his library.

With those you, Bush, Slick Willy, Fred and Condi consider allies we don’t need any enemies. Yes it’s almost an exact quote from Hillary, but as you can now see she had her reasons for saying it and one of them wasn’t national security. She got separation from Bill, and if Hillary is speaking against it, surely Bill couldn’t be involved in any suspicious dealings with them. It appears some Republicans fell for the Klintons scam, but not all of us.


175 posted on 10/16/2007 9:02:34 AM PDT by WildcatClan (DUNCAN HUNTER - The only candidate that can beat Hillary!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Excellent mathematical analysis, I like it.

Trust given to New Convert ~ Length of Time since Conversion/Power of Office Sought.


176 posted on 10/16/2007 9:43:47 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: Man50D

RINO’s are socialists in conservative clothing.
***RINOs are SICC


177 posted on 10/16/2007 9:45:57 AM PDT by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq— via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.))
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To: pollywog

You said this

Duncan Hunter!!

In response to this comment:
I wish we had these clear-cut choices as you seem to think we have

And JR said this:

“Never ever ever support or vote for known big government or big spending candidates.”

I can’t see Duncan Hunter as a clear cut conservative on spending issues, his votes lean toward big government sometimes. The operative words are clear cut.

He can never be anything but the lesser of two evils to me because of some of his spending votes. And earmarks.

I didn’t say I couldn’t or wouldn’t vote for him, but I cannot consider him a clear cut conservative on spending issues.


178 posted on 10/16/2007 9:48:10 AM PDT by daylilly
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To: GinaLolaB

3) Never vote for a lawyer.

What about freeper buckhead? He’s a lawyer.


179 posted on 10/16/2007 9:57:15 AM PDT by daylilly
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To: Prokopton

Fred’s commitment to the voters of TN was term limits, which is why he left the Senate. I think it is admirable that a man lives by his principles and keeps his promises.

Some people stay too long and really ought to find something else to do ...


180 posted on 10/16/2007 10:02:01 AM PDT by daylilly
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