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Mitt Romney: A Changed Man--Ideological Turnabout Has Critics Wondering: Who Is This Guy?
CBS News ^ | October 10, 2007 | David Segal

Posted on 10/10/2007 10:27:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Like every great sales pitch, Mitt Romney's case for Mitt Romney is low on the hard sell.

At the Sheraton Hotel here one recent morning, the boasting is handled by a former governor of South Carolina, who opens this "Ask Mitt Anything" session with a precis of the candidate's career. This includes academic achievements (Harvard Law School and Harvard Business School "in four years!") and election as governor of Massachusetts in 2002, which is described in a tone befitting a miracle.

"He ran for governor in the bluest state of all blue states," says James Edwards, "the bluest state you can think of, as a conservative Republican, and he won 51 percent of the vote in a four-way race without a runoff!"

Romney deflects the praise with a regionally tailored quip. "It's like that song, maybe you've heard it," he says, about to quote country star Toby Keith. "'I ain't as good as I once was, but I'm as good once as I ever was.'" He's an unlikely honky-tonker, this 60-year-old who's spent his adult life in the suburbs of Boston and looks like the mayor of whatever town the Cleavers lived in. During his pre-Q&A remarks, Romney speaks with an assortment of golly-geeisms straight out of the '50s, with lots of sunny talk about values, the importance of a big military, the virtues of small government. He repeats the word "strong" so often you'd think he's earning royalties from it.

"People in this country, they warm to the message that I've described -- of a strong America, a strong military, strong economic vitality and strong families," he says.

As a performance, it's smooth, folksy and winningly sincere. But it doesn't sound much like the man who won that vote in Massachusetts. That Romney positioned himself, and for a while governed as, a moderate: in favor of abortion rights, courting gay voters and crusading on environmental matters in a way that had the state's green activists pinching themselves with joy.

He now says his pro-choice leanings were a mistake. He has become one of the country's highest-profile opponents of gay marriage, and he warns against taking Al Gore's side regarding action on global warming.

Many candidates change. Romney seems to have given himself a makeover. Which has prompted more than a few people to ask: Who is this guy?

The search for an Overarching Theory of Mitt has been a preoccupation in Massachusetts, where his journey rightward played out in a highly public way. His fans say he simply evolved; his detractors call him a flip-flopper. But talk to those who've watched him longest, and some who were personally wooed during his run for governor, and you'll hear something else. The man is a born salesman, they say, and he has taken the modus operandi of selling to a whole different level in the world of politics.

"To Mitt Romney, politics is just another product," says Jeffrey Berry, a professor of politics at Tufts University and longtime Romney watcher. "Products can be recast, reshaped and remarketed in endless ways. Now, that might sound cynical, but Mitt isn't a charlatan. He's simply had so much success in the business world that his approach in that realm seems like the natural way of doing things."

Venturing Into Capital

All politicians must sell, of course, but none is steeped in the art of the sale quite like Romney. It's a talent he inherited from his father, a three-term governor of Michigan who once ran American Motors Corp. and logged thousands of miles to push its compact cars. A Time magazine cover story in 1959 recounted his visits to women's clubs, where his patter included the line, "Ladies! Why do you drive such big cars?"

After the younger Romney collected those Harvard degrees, he spent more than a dozen years as a venture capitalist, a job that requires you to pitch to companies (so they will let you acquire them) and to banks (so they will issue loans) and to investors (so they will invest).

As CEO of Bain Capital, a Boston-based firm that he founded in 1984, Romney bought all or parts of companies selling mattresses (Sealy), sneakers (Sports Authority), vibrating massage chairs (Brookstone), pizza (Domino's) and corporations in fields such as telecommunications, broadcasting, food service and on and on. Bain started with $37 million under management; by the time he left in 1999, that figure was more than $4 billion.

The job that followed, running the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, was a sell-a-thon, too. "Turnaround," his book about that experience, is unique among candidate bios in its attempt to wring drama from a cross-country rush to lock down sponsorship deals. This includes an eleventh-hour, face-to-face pitch to Gateway, from whom Romney hoped to get 5,000 computers.

"We have to know right away," Romney quotes himself saying to then-Gateway CEO Jeff Weitzen. "We have to start buying computers, or get them from you."

Romney clinched that deal. His only rough patch in the realm of persuasion came in his late teens, in France, where he served as a Mormon missionary, and went door to door evangelizing for his church. He tried everything to win converts -- singing, playing basketball, even giving lectures on archaeology, according to a letter he sent to his parents at the time, published recently by the Boston Globe. Nothing worked.

But he didn't hear a lot of "non merci" after that. Eventually he built a personal fortune pegged in the neighborhood of $350 million in the private sector. His latest pitch, for the Oval Office, is going poorly or pretty well, depending on whether you're talking about the whole country or key primary states. Nationally, Romney shows up in fourth place in polls, and he has lost the huge lead he once held in New Hampshire, where he's currently tied for first with former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani. He's leading, however, in Iowa. During a recent swing through South Carolina, he drew decent crowds and plenty of voters who were impressed with his background.

"He got elected in Massachusetts, which I consider a breakaway state of the Soviet Union," said Carl Langley, a retired newspaper columnist, after an "Ask Mitt Anything" event in Aiken, S.C.

What earned him that job in Massachusetts, though, is an idea that he doesn't mention much any longer. Back in 2002, he emphasized one promise, time and again: He would be the state's No. 1 salesman.

"There's virtually not a chief executive officer in the country that won't let me in to sit down with them in their office to pitch Massachusetts," Romney said at a typical campaign appearance in 2002, before the Massachusetts Software & Internet Council. "And that is what I'll do, inside Massachusetts, outside Massachusetts, outside of our country, to encourage businesses to come grow and thrive in the most robust portion of the economy, Massachusetts."

'Hearts Were Broken'

At that time, Romney deflected many of the social-conservative issues that he now embraces, and he charmed a handful of left-leaning interest groups who might otherwise have been enemies. A few of them say they wound up with the political version of buyer's remorse.

Including NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts. In September 2002, at a face-to-face meeting at Romney's headquarters in Cambridge, Romney assured a delegation from the group that, no, he would not impinge on abortion rights. And yes, he would like to see easier access to emergency contraceptives, such as Plan B. He closed the meeting by taking on a just-between-us tone and saying, essentially, You need Republicans like me. And the party needs candidates like me, because this issue is killing the party, according to Melissa Kogut, who was then executive director of the organization. He didn't expect an endorsement, he told her, but he hoped the organization would refrain from attacking him during the campaign.

Which the group did, stressing instead its support for Democrat Shannon O'Brien. Kogut said at a news conference before the election that it would be "dangerous" not to elect a leader on this issue, but that's a long way from the war she and her colleagues would have declared against an antiabortion candidate.

Romney also awed the state's Log Cabin chapter, meeting with the gay Republican group in October 2002 and wowing attendees with opinions on domestic-partnership benefits in the workplace (he was for them) and discrimination based on sexual orientation (strongly against).

He spoke against gay marriage, one attendee recalls, but it sounded as if he could countenance civil unions when he said, "Just don't use the M-word." He emphasized themes of tolerance and respect, and by the end of the meeting Log Cabin members were pretty dazzled. After Romney left, the group unanimously voted to endorse him.

Environmentalists, meantime, were amazed to discover that this uber-capitalist seemed pretty much a Greenpeace fantasy. Once elected, he brought environmental activists into the fold, among them Douglas Foy, the formidable president of the Conservation Law Foundation, who was given a newly created Cabinet-level job. And not long after he was sworn in, Romney went to the oil- and coal-fired Salem Harbor Station power plant and threatened to shut it down if its owners didn't meet a deadline to slash nitrogen oxide and sulfur dioxide emissions.

"If the choice is between dirty power plants or protecting the health of the people of Massachusetts, there is no choice in my mind," he said at an impromptu news conference, in February 2003, while hard-hat-wearing workers at the plant jeered.

But two years into his term, Moderate Romney started to vanish. NARAL's detente lasted until July 2005, when the governor vetoed a bill that would have allowed pharmacists to provide emergency contraceptives to women without a prescription -- a total 180 from his avowal during the NARAL meeting. Kogut, the group's former executive director, phoned the governor's office but, she says, he never called back.

"We felt completely played," she recalls. "We just couldn't believe it, given what he'd said to our faces."

The comity with gay voters was even briefer. In 2003, the state Supreme Judicial Court voted to legalize gay marriage, forcing Romney to take a stand on an issue that he had not discussed much during his campaign. At first he tried to find a middle ground, stressing both his opposition to the ruling and his hope that the legislature would pass laws providing some rights for same-sex couples, including civil unions. "The governor is not a crusader," said spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom after the ruling. "He did not come to office to crusade for or against gay rights."

But by 2004, Romney was one of the country's most vocal critics of gay marriage, and in 2005 he backed a state constitutional amendment that would ban not just gay marriage but civil unions, too. (The governor said at the time that he had supported civil unions in the past because gay marriage seemed like the only alternative; in his ideal world, he told the media, there would be no civil unions either.) The following year, he took his gay-marriage opposition on the road, pushing for a similar constitutional amendment in South Carolina, pledging $5,000 through his political action committee and promising to show up and campaign on the amendment's behalf.

By then, some Log Cabin Republicans were saying they'd been snookered.

"He shakes your hand, looks you in the eye," says Richard Babson, a Log Cabin member who attended the Romney meeting. "It's hard for me to know what Mitt Romney's first principles are on a given day."

Last week, the Log Cabin Republicans went public with their anger, running a TV ad that lambastes Romney by including video clips of his pro-choice, pro-gun-control stands as a candidate in Massachusetts.

If the gay-rights crowd sounds bitterly disappointed, the state's environmentalists sound like they'd gotten punk'd. By the end of his term, Romney had announced his support for oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He'd supported an easing of regulations on power-plant cleanup, including Salem Harbor, the site of that confrontation. And he'd pulled out of a historic seven-state agreement designed to reduce greenhouse gases, an effort he'd initially championed.

"Hearts were broken," says Seth Kaplan of the Conservation Law Foundation. "That's the best way I can put it. And when someone is an unexpected advocate, like Romney was, it builds up your hopes and breaks your heart even more."

Most trace the turning point to the elections of 2004, when Romney backed a slate of Republican candidates, hoping to loosen the Democratic hold on the state legislature. When the GOP gained not a single seat, he seemed to abandon interest in a second term and set his sights on a run for the presidency.

That's not to say he gave up on the governor's job; in 2006, for example, he signed into law an ambitious health insurance bill that mandated coverage for all Massachusetts residents by July of this year. But he began traveling regularly outside the state for campaign-like, get-to-know-me appearances, more than 100 trips in 2005 and 2006, the Boston Globe reported. He stopped selling Massachusetts and started to make it the butt of jokes, telling out-of-state audiences that his job made him feel like "a cattle rancher at a vegetarian convention."

Even some members of the business community were let down.

"Everyone knew that rebuilding the economy here would be 40 miles of hard road, and Mitt bailed out after five miles," says Howard Anderson, a professor of business at MIT and a longtime investor in Bain Capital who has known Romney for years. "At some point, we in the venture capital community became skeptics, and that eventually turned into rampant cynicism."

Anderson has nothing but praise for Romney's performance as Bain CEO, describing him as a smart, consensus-building leader with terrific judgment, a man of integrity who was exceptionally generous to partners. Squaring Romney the executive with Romney the politician is something Anderson has never been able to do.

"It's as though he's let the market dictate his ideology, which is something no one who knew him in the private sector ever saw coming. Not a hint."

The Real Romney?

Romney's supporters acknowledge that he moved to the right during his years as governor, but they think the distance he traveled is no further than that of other great politicians. (Reagan, once a Democrat, is mentioned often.) They stress his competence, intelligence and leadership skills as well as his talent as a fiscal manager. His campaign says that when he took office, Massachusetts faced a deficit of $3 billion and when he left, it had a surplus.

"The people of Massachusetts will remember Mitt Romney as a person who came into office during a financial emergency, balanced the budget without raising taxes and found a way to get health insurance to all our citizens without a government takeover," writes Fehrnstrom, still Romney's spokesman, in an e-mail.

Whether Romney's rapid journey rightward will matter in the election isn't clear. In the town of Aiken (town motto: "Character counts"), what you hear is a lot of skepticism about Mormonism, still Romney's most problematic sale. And many who say that a person who came late to the anti-abortion camp can't be trusted to stay there.

"If he changed his mind once, he could change it again," says Gene Hawkins, a private investigator, who was visiting a gun store during his lunch break. "If he's indecisive about that, what else might he be indecisive about?"

Among those who came to Romney's event, few seemed bothered by the idea that he'd run for his only other job in public office as a very different candidate. In a state so dominated by Democrats, how else was he supposed to win? And perhaps his willingness to rethink his stands, these people said, is evidence of a comforting kind of honesty.

"It takes a real man to admit he's wrong, but he's changed his mind and he tells you why," says Skipper Perry, Aiken's local representative to the state legislature. "I don't look at it as flip-flopping so much as soul-searching."

What liberal activists from the home state remember, however, is a governor who presented a thoroughly convincing persona in 2002 and effectively abandoned it two years later. Which is the real Romney, they ask?

Some think he was feigning his moderation then and is revealing his true self now. But it's a safe bet that Romney would have passed a lie detector test in both incarnations. And that speaks to his consummate skills as a salesman, the best of whom believe so deeply in their product that they internalize its merits -- which is why they never sound like they're selling.


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To: scrabblehack

Hmm...it appears that MA does have runoffs for primaries; I do find any provision for a runoff in the general election. Indeed, it looks like Romney got only 49.77% of the total vote, even if it was 51% of the enrolled party vote.

Republican Mitt Romney 1,091,988 49.77
Democratic Shannon O’Brien 985,981 44.94
Green-Rainbow Jill Stein 76,530 3.49
Libertarian Carla Howell 23,044 1.05
Independent Barbara C. Johnson 15,335 0.70
Write-in All others 1,301 0.06


21 posted on 10/11/2007 2:37:55 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: scrabblehack

I meant I do not find any provision for a general election runoff.


22 posted on 10/11/2007 2:41:35 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

23 posted on 10/11/2007 7:08:17 AM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: Rick_Michael

I am a New Mexico voter (which is a borderline state, much like Florida, albeit much smaller).

Most of the Republicans I know (solid voters in the Primary) -— we had a long discussion at the men’s retreat at my church -— would stay home or vote 3rd party if Mitt Romney or Guiliani was the candidate -— this was 48 men -— NM turns on a couple hundred votes.

Romney is just a slipperly liar, and Rudy is a liberal

Basically, by playing to the liberals, the Republicans would lose the conservatives.

Yes, that will be a disaster for the country of Carterian proportions, but so be it.

Carter brough us Reagan. If that is what it takes, that is what it takes.


24 posted on 10/11/2007 8:42:04 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; restornu; redgirlinabluestate
"To Mitt Romney, politics is just another product," says Jeffrey Berry, a professor of politics at Tufts University and longtime Romney watcher. "Products can be recast, reshaped and remarketed in endless ways. Now, that might sound cynical, but Mitt isn't a charlatan. He's simply had so much success in the business world that his approach in that realm seems like the natural way of doing things."

This is Mitt's real problem. He really does see it this way.

To win, Mitt needs to tell us what he really believes and make us believe he won't flipflop on those issues.

A pol can make over his image and even many positions he's held. But he has to convince the voters that he's sincere and has some real passion for subjects they care about.

Currently, Mitt is a little too scripted. He's almost a little punchy, he's been drilled so much by his campaign team.

He won't get the nomination unless a lot of us get a strong feeling that we really know who Mitt is and what he really believes. One of the things I wonder about is what Mitt will really do once in office. He's just so, well, flexible.

I thought earlier in the campaign, we saw more of the real Mitt at times. For instance, in that one debate, he was asked about the actions of Catholic bishops and he said, very off the cuff, that it was none of his business what Catholic bishops said or thought. Clearly, he also meant he didn't care what they thought about Mormon bishops. It was a very good answer. It was a very honest and unscripted kind of answer. I had the impression that I knew exactly what he thought about that subject. Mitt needs to do a lot more of that.

Being an undisciplined candidate will lose you an election. But being overscripted is a problem too. A candidate has to find the right balance before a huge variety of audiences.
25 posted on 10/11/2007 9:02:32 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney

Exactly! The point of the article is that he’ll play anybody for what he wants. He is pretending to be conservative now because that’s what he needs to get through the primaries. What we see now is not what we’d get if he were elected. He would have no more need to pander to the conservatives in the Republican party as he wouldn’t need to go through the primaries again in 4 years.


26 posted on 10/11/2007 9:19:28 AM PDT by CatQuilt (aquietcatholic.blogspot.com)
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To: George W. Bush; Plutarch
A candidate has to find the right balance before a huge variety of audiences.

And Mitt has connected better than anyone else with a majority of people in the early primary states. I'd say, he's doing pretty well. I am sure the other candidates would jump at the chance to change places with him if they could be leading in those states.

While I don't often disagree with you, in this case, I do disagree with the bulk of what you said. Perhaps, if all we had to go on were his words or his debate performances, you'd be right. However, we have his actual record as governor by which to judge him. His record as governor is the best indicator of his future actions. Actions speak louder than mere words.

He governed dark blue Massachusetts in a very conservative fashion. That's a lot harder to do than in a red state.

As that great FReeper, Plutarch, once said:
"Being pro-life as a Republican Senator from Tennessee isn't heavy political lifting, it is more like rolling off a log. Romney in Massachusetts was fighting upstream against raging left-wing rapids, while Thompson (R-TN) was drifting lazily along barely paddling downstream along Tennessee's right wing current."

The chances of him going backwards or retreating from this conservative course are slim to none when he's already weathered the storm in such a hostile environment and proven his commitment. As Jeff Jacoby of the Boston Globe put it: "Romney’s very public migration rightward over the last few years is . . . intended not to hide his real views but to liberate them."

Basically, people lazily focus on words or a certain style rather than looking at the real record and his current platform. Mitt doesn't get enough credit for his actual record and the things he did on behalf of the pro-life and pro-family causes. READ THIS. It documents many of the conservative actions taken by Romney while governor and is a testimony to the support he has received from conservatives who ACTUALLY know him and worked with him.

27 posted on 10/11/2007 9:55:54 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate
While I don't often disagree with you, in this case, I do disagree with the bulk of what you said. Perhaps, if all we had to go on were his words or his debate performances, you'd be right. However, we have his actual record as governor by which to judge him. His record as governor is the best indicator of his future actions. Actions speak louder than mere words.

Even granting all your other points, I will say that the nominee is the one who can personally connect with voters, make them buy into their campaign on a personal level.

Mitt hasn't done that yet. And that's why his national poll numbers are so much lower than they should be.

I am right about this. Part of Mitt's problem is that he thinks the rest of the country is like Massachusetts. Well, it isn't. He's got to make that personal connection. And it's not the Mormon thing either. George Bush managed to sell himself in this personal sense to the GOP. Mitt isn't getting it done yet. Mitt's campaign needs to focus on why before Rudi (or Fred) manage to fill that void.

The voters are looking for that candidate they connect with personally, the guy they feel they can know from his speeches, that they know what he'll do in all those situations they can't even foresee yet.
28 posted on 10/11/2007 10:25:56 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: George W. Bush
He's leading in several states and is in a dead heat with Fred now in the national polls. Did you miss the latest polling numbers?

Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll 10/10 Giuliani 27% Thompson 17% Romney 16%

Romney is trending upward while the others are not.

Of course, there is always room for improvement, but there is never going to be the perfect candidate. Ann Coulter's point about Mitt being the most qualified and competent candidate with the strategy and required funds to beat Rudy and then Hillary does make a lot of sense though.

29 posted on 10/11/2007 10:40:06 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (PERSONALLY connected with Mitt (what?))
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To: redgirlinabluestate

Those numbers worry me a little. As you may recall, I’ve always been concerned that Fred and Mitt might split the vote just enough for the leftwing mayor to slip between them and we’d end up with a nominee that at least half of us don’t want and that 20% of us could never vote for because of the abortion/gun/marriage issues.


30 posted on 10/11/2007 11:02:50 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: scrabblehack

Primary runoffs are only in TX, OK, AR, LA (called general election), MS, AL, GA, and SC, plus NC if no one gets 40 percent. There have never been runoffs in party primaries outside of the South.


31 posted on 10/11/2007 11:07:58 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Do you think the Dems will win the Domenici Senate seat?


32 posted on 10/11/2007 11:10:39 AM PDT by Theodore R. ( Cowardice is still forever!)
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To: Theodore R.

It really has to do with the weather.

NM is very conservative in the rural areas -— really only Sante Fe and certain ski areas are liberal. This includes long-time hispanic residents and even some Indian tribes. VERY conservative, very pro-oil (only major employers).

The rural population barely outnumbers Sante Fe — BUT if the weather is bad (snow) -— the rural population cannot get to the polls and vote (NM is very much a Rocky Mountain state -— people forget).

The last couple of elections have turned on weather — one each way.

But with a RINO running for office -— we won’t bother to make the trek, especially in bad weather.


33 posted on 10/11/2007 11:33:30 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ann Coulter talked about how Romney snookered liberals into thinking he was moderate in MASS last fall at her CPAC talk. It's why she praised him (along with her other choice Hunter).

Anyone who can make liberals cry this much is a genuis.

'Hearts Were Broken'

the political version of buyer's remorse

NARAL....phoned the governor's office but, she says, he never called back.

"We felt completely played,"

Log Cabin Republicans were saying they'd been snookered.

If the gay-rights crowd sounds bitterly disappointed, the state's environmentalists sound like they'd gotten punk'd.

...it builds up your hopes and breaks your heart even more."

Of course liberals have conservatives best interest at heart now don't they in trying to tell us the "truth" about how "moderate" Mitt was? Out of the goodness of their hearts they just don't want us conservatives to fall into the same trap they fell in to. Obviously the fact that they are producing hit pieces on him has nothing to do with the fact that he could slay Hilary in the general election and the debates. Really they just don't want us to get hurt too.

Why do liberals sound like 8th graders crying about boyfriends and trying to bad mouth him to the school?

34 posted on 10/11/2007 11:46:30 AM PDT by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: George W. Bush
As you may recall, I’ve always been concerned that Fred and Mitt might split the vote just enough for the leftwing mayor to slip between them

Yes, it worries all of us. That's exactly what worries Ann Coulter as well, I think. She was on FOX this morning "steering" people away from Fred and Huckabee and towards Mitt. I think she believes we must all rally around Romney or else end up with Rudy.

Like, Ann, this evangelical Christian leader is encouraging conservatives to support Romney to stop Rudy. Letter Urges Conservative Christians to Support Romney

On a lighter note. Mitt with Jay Leno. Very personable.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceQX10Nrk44

35 posted on 10/11/2007 2:48:54 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate
That's exactly what worries Ann Coulter as well, I think. She was on FOX this morning "steering" people away from Fred and Huckabee and towards Mitt. I think she believes we must all rally around Romney or else end up with Rudy.

I agree. But I think we need to give Fred a month or so to see whether he can perform more strongly.

It's too soon to say it's too late for Fred. Let's give him and his supporters their due. The point of the election isn't entirely who our favorite guy is. It's who we have that can beat the Wife Of Clinton and who agrees with our most fundamental issues.

Seriously, it won't matter much who we pick if they can't beat Hitlery. The Fred folk and the Mitt folk should realize this. Both are considerably better than the leftwing mayor to most of us on the Right.
36 posted on 10/11/2007 4:07:33 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remind you of another Massachusetts politician? "Can I Get Me a Hunting License Here?"

That's a cheap shot. John Kerry never held a job in the private sector. Mitt Romney ran a successful business.

John Kerry was all about himself. Mitt Romney did much for his family, church, business, state, and country.

If you are saying Romney's an egotist, is he any more of one than other politicians are?

If you want to say that he cheated the left, so one can't expect him to be on the up-and-up with the right, you may have a point.

But the way I look at it, Romney gave the liberals who'd ruined Massachusetts politics a taste of their own medicine, and it was worth it. I only wish he'd stayed on to finish the job.

37 posted on 10/11/2007 4:14:38 PM PDT by x
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To: George W. Bush; redgirlinabluestate; Reagan Man; TommyDale; indylindy; calcowgirl; narses; ...
The voters are looking for that candidate they connect with personally, the guy they feel they can know from his speeches, that they know what he'll do in all those situations they can't even foresee yet.

Very well said.

Americans give their precious votes to candidates who earn their confidence and trust.

Which is why Rudi Giuliani is unacceptable.

Rooty and his Rooters are working assiduously to religiously cleanse the Repub party, to dump conservatives off the party lifeboat.

THEY would feel more "comfortable" in a Repub party free of religious and social conservatism-----IOW, in a second Democrat party.

The elitist, umnmitigated contempt the Giuliani camp evinces for social and religious conservatives disqualifies Giuliani from holding any public office.

38 posted on 10/11/2007 4:16:20 PM PDT by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: The Ghost of Rudy McRomney
No way, nohow will I vote for this Ma$$clown.

Your assignment for the next 13 months is to sit crossed-legged in your front yard, and repeat over and over, "No Way I will vote for Romney. No Way I will vote for Romney. No Way. No Way. No Way.

Then, maybe the rest of us can get on with a civilized debate among Republicans without the RDS quackers on FR.

RDS -- Romney Deranged Syndrome.

39 posted on 10/11/2007 4:20:59 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: srmorton

That is why I will not support either of them.


40 posted on 10/11/2007 4:23:24 PM PDT by MamaB
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