Posted on 10/10/2007 9:45:30 AM PDT by finnman69
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday Rudy Giuliani with a growing advantage in the race for the Republican Presidential Nomination. Giuliani is supported by 27% of Likely Primary Voters, his highest daily total in over a month. Fred Thompson’s support has dipped to 17%, his lowest total since early June. This is not a result of last night’s debate since results are reported on a four-day rolling average basis. However, each of the four individual night’s poll results were a bit weaker for Thompson than the night before.
The last time Giuliani had a double-digit edge over Thompson was in mid-May. That was before the debate over immigration sank McCain’s campaign and the Arizona Senator was in second place.
Mitt Romney has moved to within a point of Thompson at 16% while John McCain got back into double digits at 11%. Mike Huckabee earns the vote from 6% (see recent daily numbers).
(Excerpt) Read more at rasmussenreports.com ...
Fred's running for the vice-presidential slot. He may indeed get it.
He'd fit right into the job, and it would be a good move for him at this stage of his life.
Time for me to run for cover.....!
- John
You forgot to mention cut and run Paul’s numbers. I am sure they must be at at least 75%. (At least according to the paulie girls.)
It's one thing to disagree with him, but to lack all realism about his popularity is foolish. There is a way for other candidates to beat him, but it isn't by bashing HIM. It's only by bashing Hillary, all the time. Until they figure that out, he's the frontrunner, and he's a frontrunner for a reason: he bashes Hillary at EVERY opportunity.
People expect to see Arthur Branch
However, if he goes into the Branch character during the debate he will be seen as phony.
We are in a two-party system, period. For all the high-minded moralists who "sit out" or won't vote for this candidate or that candidate, can you say, President Hillary? And do NOT give me that garbage that "there is no difference . . . ." I guarantee you a President Dole would have accepted Sudan's offer to hand over OBL in 1996.
Chill out. All the fear of Hillary and your posturing won’t help Rooty win. Votes will. He won’t be getting mine.
LLS
To be honest, I didn’t really know she disliked Fred. I don’t really care what she thinks...you get that, don’t you? I knew Michelle Malkin didn’t like Fred to some degree, although I think Michelle is a bit more professional at times. I actually think she does a better job at hosting Oreilly show, than Oreilly.
So it’s not a matter of disagreement...it’s her style. I flip the channel when I see Ann...mostly because I get the same attack dog feeling I get from Olbermann. I know tv requires a bit of contraversy, but it feels like some people go out of there way.
There’s realism that suggest a 1/3 of religious based voters will vote otherwise...that one must take into account. Those aren’t insigficant numbers...hardly a sliver.
True, Ann has always had both fans and detractors at FR. Since she has come out against Thompson, the expectation is that Fredheads will suddenly come out against Ann (just as they have against anybody and anything that stands in the way of Fred's progress).
You missed my characterization of his supporters as being ‘wet Tories’ (British for the non-Thatcher wing if the Conservative Party), that goes with gun-grabbing.
Like I said: 25-30% of GOP voters are 1) wet Tories, 2) strong-defense, and 3) libertarian on social issues.
That won’t get him the nomination, just keep him the front runner until the lesser conservatives drop out and folks coalesce around Thompson or Romney. And I’ll repeat my prediction: Thomspon or Romney on the second ballot.
FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND RUDY’S STANDING IN THE POLLS!!!!
AMERICAN WANTs TO BE LED BY A WINNER
General Patton said, “Americans love a winner”.
His strength is that he is seen as a winner against Hillary.
Rudy’s style is to attack in tone and then he supports the attacks with his own facts. He attacks- then attacks again- he never stops attacking.
If Thompson picks up his approach to the campaign- that is if he attacks the Dems and the left and makes fun of the media, he will prevail. If he sits on his butt and does not aggressively answer the attacks he will be branded a loser.
Look at the last several elections-
Kerry vs Bush- Kerry had the smell of a loser
Gore vs Bush - Gore smelled worst than Kerry- loser- it was Gore’s election to lose
Dole vs Clinton- Clinton was now a winner
Old Man Bush vs Clinton - Bush became a loser
Carter vs Reagan - Carter a real loser
Nixon vs Humphrey vs Wallace - the lesser of the losers
McGovern vs Nixon - Nixon proved at election time not to be a loser
Stevenson vs Eisenhower - Eisenhower was considered a winner
If Fred Thompson is to win he has to be seen as a winner. He is a man of substance but substance is not enough. He must present a style that states, “Winner”.
Americans want to be led by winners.
Fred Thompson's numbers are disappointing but I believe he has more support than this poll indicates. He still has mine, although I very much want to see Fred taking some unambiguous stands on the serious issues that concern most conservatives...and I want to see him do what Rudy Giuliani has been doing and criticize Hillary Clinton for her far-left ideology that the media glosses over or outright hides. If Fred can't rise to the occasion than he'll lose a lot of primary voters who would back him if he shows more determination and takes the tough stands any conservative has to take to be viable with the grass roots base.
Today, I would vote for Fred Thompson in a GOP primary. In 90 days, barring Fred declaring that he's a communist, I'll still vote for Thompson. If he loses and Romney or Giuliani is the Republican party presidential nominee, I'll very likely vote for that person over a Hillary Clinton. I refuse to 'stay home' and forfeit my right to vote.
However, if Giuliani is the GOP nominee, I fear that the Republican party is doomed on many levels. They may very well lose the '08 presidential election. Even if Giuliani wins, I'm quite sure he'll 'turn left' within a year of his election and we'll have a liberal, Democrat-Lite president, just a bit less of a full-blown socialist than Hillary Clinton. I hope I'm wrong. I really do.
People, think. It is October, and not even Halloween. Only political junkies even know these guys’ names. There are “likely Republican voters” who are not political junkies, and they know Guilliani’s name and no one else’s.
Thompson is fading, even among the political junkies, not because there is anything wrong with him, but because there are others on the stage clearly smarter, more dynamic, and who frankly look healthier. Among the non political junkies this matters a great deal.
Do not be too quick to dismiss any thought of “looks” being a shallow measure. It measures the skill of organization and staff who are assigned to deal with looks and make sure that the candidate . . . need not look charming, but he cannot look ill. This is poor staff work.
What must happen to clarify things is the elimination of some of these fringe third tier people. The worrisome thing about this latest rolling average by Rasmussen is where the Thompson support went. It looks like Romney got 2% of it and Guilliani got 4%. That split cannot be allowed to continue if we are going to stop Guilliani.
“True, Ann has always had both fans and detractors at FR. Since she has come out against Thompson, the expectation is that Fredheads will suddenly come out against Ann (just as they have against anybody and anything that stands in the way of Fred’s progress).”
I’m not that type of Fred supporter. If I liked Ann before, I wouldn’t have switched merely over a disagreement. Such isn’t the case.
I’m not a big fan of media personalities. I think that’s the biggest ‘sell-your-soul’ outlet ie I tend to be an anti-commercialist. Well, in a sense that I think music and thoughts are usually sold, rather than created for the right reasons.
Jesus wasn’t wearing nike shoes when spreading the Word.
LLS
Im convinced that if Giuliani won in 2008, he will move rightward if he moves off center at all. You need your parties support and that is a big machine.
He will not get support of this whole party. It will not happen. He will lose, and Hillary will win. We need all of those that voted in 2004, Liberal Rudy will not be able to get that support.
He is a losing candidate. He is Bush on steroids. Look at the Bush approval ratings. Compassionate conservative=social liberal. A lose lose situation.
One more to add to the ‘things that are no longer important or conservative because of Fred’ list -
Ann Coulter.
Oops.
must.read.entire.thread.before.posting.............lol
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