Posted on 10/09/2007 11:58:39 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #8 – Dearborn, Michigan 10/09/07 - Official Discussion Thread
CNBC/MSNBC/The Wall Street Journal are jointly sponsoring the first Republican Presidential debate of the 2008 campaign focusing on economic issues. It will be held on October 9 in Dearborn, Michigan at the University of Michigan-Dearborn at the Ford Community and Performing Arts Center. Broadcast is live on CNBC at 4 PM ET (1 PM PT) and re-broadcast on MSNBC at 9 PM ET (6 PM PT). CNBC's Maria Bartiromo and MSNBC's Chris Matthews will host the debate.
Candidates participating:
Giuliani is a prosecutor, not a thug. And a New York prosecutor at that. You go after the mob you have to be willing to send them to the morgue.
I don't like his stand on "social issues," but I grant that he is tough fighting against crime and putting a fiscal house in order. I believe he'd take the war to our enemies more strenuously than Thompson actually.
Wow, just wow.
Air laden with petrochemicals -- Ah, the smell of money.
Yeah, and it's been going on for 8,000 years...since antediluvian times...
Did you hear they discovered a meter/comet strike crater in the Indian Ocean that is conjectured to have caused a 500 foot high tsumnami and 25 feet of rain worldwide.
2350 B.C. time frame for Noah's ark is 2800 B.C.
Charming, wasn't it?
That's the way to win over Republican hearts in the primaries, with straight talk that leaves out the other side of the coin and just recites a Democrat mantra POV.
However, it was the worst natural disaster in our history. Over huge Gulf coast area the size of Great Britain. Katrina 30,000 people rescued from roof tops. Mandatory evacuation issued too late due to foot dragging by Mayor and Governor despite Bush pushing them to do that. Refusing to have the National Guard federalized for more efficient operation, so a woman wouldn't look weak and unable to run a military operation. Money allocated to shore up the levies and spent by their parochial system for shoring up their vote getting, with more in the pipeline before it could be used. Legislature voted against waiving liability for charitable organizations who would volunteer for private vehicles and buses to get the poor and disabled out of New Orleans. ETc. ETc.
That's a litany of failure for local government, not the feds.
I thought the same thing.
I really don’t know. Since I had to work when the debate was on live, I only managed to catch some of the “replay” last night. To be honest with you I wasn’t impressed too much with anyone (although granted, as I said, I didn’t see the whole debate). Maybe it’s some general malaise....or maybe it’s just too early to make a decision on one candidate or the other. This was Thompson’s first debate, so maybe he needs some practice. And the others? Who knows? Maybe it was an off night or something. I didn’t like the questions and I didn’t necessarily like the answers either.
It did occur to me that, in addition to finding the candidate that is most suitable and most in line with the Republican agenda (or at least what that agenda used to be), we need someone to withstand and effectively respond to the propaganda and general b-s from the left. I didn’t see any of yesterday’s participants doing that. That worries me. If we can’t make people understand that failure in Iraq is not an option, or that the “free” health care is not going to be free, we are going to have some real problems come next fall.
What a pantload! Call up Granholm and tel lher how to fix Michigan's economy from your easy chair in OREGON!
Sure, those generous retirement benefits have nothing to do with the cost of manufacture. Sorry, I don’t sing the union label. The unions killed the Golden Goose.
Pray for W and Our Troops
3 billion =
3,000,000,000
3 billion * 365 = 1,095,000,000,000.
Ron Paul is not my favorite candidate, but you should check your math:
This is less than your budget figures of 3,000,000,000,000.
The actual budget figures from http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/pdf/budget/tables.pdf
show a deficit of 240 billion, which is about a quarter of 1 trillion, Paul’s number.
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
says 1.5 billion per day though, which is twice the official. I suspect budgetary hanky-panky somewhere. Maybe not counting social security correctly.
Bull crap! The unions don’t have the power they used to have. About all they are good for now is preventing the company from working people 24/7 at below minimum wage.
Most factories aren’t even union anymore. Shows what you know. I know more people that work at non union companies than unionized ones. The one person I do know that works at a union company has had to take wage cuts for the past three years and they are looking at another cut in the very near future. Most people are barely getting by and some are just up and leaving their homes because they can’t afford the payments anymore and these are just modest older homes.
Michigan can’t compete with $1.25 an hour down in Mexico.
No one in the fields of Democrat and Republican candidates inspire. For his first time out I felt Thompson did fine. My concern lay in whether he can inspire the necessary optimism.
Depends on the trade and state. Certainly Public Employee and nurses, teacher, police and fire Unions have more power than you can imagine, able to amass $100 million political war chest in CA back in 2005 alone. They've also been able to make pension deals which have threatened the fiscal health of many municipalities including San Diego.
Manufacturing labor unions may not have the power they once had but Big Labor is a vicious force nationwide.
I thought mathews was a left wing weenie who was transparent.
ESPECIALLY with this “tax cuts cost” presumption.
Considering we have a large shortage of nurses, I guess their union isn’t as strong as you suggest.
The nurses, teachers etc are not the ones affecting Mi’s economy and job market. The manufacturing base is.
Or lack of as the case may be. :)
you were waaay to kind to Ronpaul. “9/11 was just 19 thugs” who were unrelated to any group just floored me.
I think by the next debate Ronpaul, Huckabee, Tancredo, and Brownback should not be allowed on the stage.
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I don’t think you are right on that. Hillary could tip the scales in Florida and Ohio as well as some other borderline states. Hunter can’t even deliver his own state. Landslide victory for Hillary if Duncan Hunter is the candidate.
Doesn’t mean I don’t like him, just the facts. Don’t like Rudy either. I’m just saying if we don’t work together to beat Hillary, we deserve what and who we get. She has one mission - and that’s to destroy this country with her socialist programs that will raise our taxes and give us a nanny state.
Arguing over who is the best republican candidate right now is like asking who the tallest midget is....
I don’t think it’s a bad thing for a managerial, economy guy in place right now, if he surrounds himself with a good team for foreign policy, defense, etc.
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