An interesting theory. I'm not sure I can buy it. From my reading, there were millennia between Ismael and Muhammad. 
Posted on 10/09/2007 5:03:33 AM PDT by vietvet67
Whatever else his critics say of him, no one can fault President Bush for failing to go the extra mile in his efforts to show that neither he, nor the United States, is opposed to the Islamic faith, or to Muslim nations.
Last week, the president and Mrs. Bush hosted their seventh Iftaar Dinner, the celebration that breaks the Muslim fast during Ramadan. Immediately after 9/11, the president visited a Washington, D.C., mosque and proclaimed Islam a “religion of peace.” He has frequently said that terrorists are not real Muslims, anymore than people who proclaim to be Christian and engage in violence are genuine Christians.
The president is the most openly evangelical Christian and faithful churchgoer since Jimmy Carter. And the evangelical community has mostly embraced him and twice voted for him in overwhelming numbers. But that constituency is likely to be troubled over something the president said in an interview with Al Arabiya television. In an official transcript released by the White House, the president said, “…I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God.” Later in the interview, the president repeated his statement: “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”
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I guess that you are a better Christian than I am, and I am not saying it in a sarcastic way. I am not a good Christian and I know it.
Which only means they have not found the right path. There is still only one God.
“Saying that war is against Christianity is just plain ignorant.”
No, Dungeon Master (cool name) the war of militant Islam is directed against Judeo-Christianity. In other words, the USA and Israel first and foremost, nations whom still (kinda) proclaim YHWH and/or Jesus Christ. It is also against Europe and other Western nations whom has populations whom also still believe. The works of Judeo-Christianity are faith, love, kindness, justice, truth, freedom & patience.
The message and themes from God don’t change and conflict with the Koran’s teachings that the good ideology mentioned above must be destroyed. In Islam, the church and state are one. That means if you are a true believer of the Koran you must destroy Judeo-Christiantity and if you are an Islamic state such as Iran, it is your duty to do such. Any nation or group of peoples that does not fully submit to Islam is to be destroyed. This ideology is far worse than Nazism or Imperial Japan’s of WWII. The only thing that may sway militant Islam is if Mecca and Medina are vaporized. Then they like Imperial Japan may realize their ambitions are fruitless. I do not suggest pre-emption but I firmly Islam will not stop until they have the bomb and use it on the USA or Israel. When that happens, all bets are off including Mecca and Medina.
First of all thanks for your service! Secondly, I sleep better at night knowing even at such a young age you posses wisdom. The pandering to Muslims in this country or the Arab street is futile. Those Muslims who want peace will not pick up the sword knowing in their hearts what is wrong. These are not true followers of the Koran and I am glad for that. The rest, our true enemy hide within the population of the docile Muslims. Like in Nagasaki or Hiroshima, the docile will suffer alongside the true evil believers of Islam. No way around it and that is a shame. However, you are 100% right.
Until they suffer enough loss to understand to sit down they must continue to be annihalated. This was the lesson of the crusades. Similar strategies of convert now and repent later to Islam only led to your own slaughter later as an individual or a nation. Taking the fight to the heart of Jerusalem where THEY were threw them off balance and gave a reprive to the invasion of Europe and Asia. We are doing so again but must not pause now until their is no Muslim nation that harbors or supports their evil militant cousins.
No, Dungeon Master (cool name) the war of militant Islam is directed against Judeo-Christianity. In other words, the USA and Israel first and foremost, nations whom still (kinda) proclaim YHWH and/or Jesus Christ. It is also against Europe and other Western nations whom has populations whom also still believe. The works of Judeo-Christianity are faith, love, kindness, justice, truth, freedom & patience.
WOW, if that is what Jveritas ment I totally misunderstood the sentence. {dumb me emoticon} I thought it to mean that it is against Christian beliefs for Christians to ever be in favor of any war.
Regarding that whole other interpretation, then yes I agree with you quant5, that is exactly what they oppose.
My whole issue with the article is what President Bush said that he believes that we all worship the same God. I disagree with the President on this. The mulsim allah is not our Christian God it is a simple as that. However the President of the United States cannot say this publicly when asked the question even if he believes in his heart that this is the case. It will create a lot of problems for us with "muslim allies" who are helping us to achieve victory in this war on terror, and victory is at hand in the most important theater in this war which is Iraq. Victory is also at hand in the second most important theater which is Afghanistan.
Are you familiar with the verses that say that all governments are set up by Jesus Christ and that includes all of those heathen and muslim and secular governments? Just food for thought.
My whole issue with the article is what President Bush said that he believes that we all worship the same God. I disagree with the President on this. The mulsim allah is not our Christian God it is a simple as that. However the President of the United States cannot say this publicly when asked the question even if he believes in his heart that this is the case. It will create a lot of problems for us with "muslim allies" who are helping us to achieve victory in this war on terror, and victory is at hand in the most important theater in this war which is Iraq. Victory is also at hand in the second most important theater which is Afghanistan.
We certainly agree that they are different Gods. Maybe you'd be patient enough to tell me what you think the middle east response would be that would be the political disaster.
Are you familiar with the verses that say that all governments are set up by Jesus Christ and that includes all of those heathen and muslim and secular governments? Just food for thought.
Was it Paul who mentioned something to the effect that our rulers are from God and we should obey them and obey the earthly authorities? I cannot remember in which letter he said that.
Romans 13
1Let every person(A) be subject to the governing authorities. For(B) there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you(C) will receive his approval, 4for(D) he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God,(E) an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also(F) for the sake of conscience. 6For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7(G) Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
That is it, thank you very much. My memory about the Bible is getting very rusty. God forgives my sins and they are so many.
13 “And of the son of the maid I will make a nation also, because he is your descendant.” 14 So Abraham rose early in the morning and took bread and a skin of water and gave them to Hagar, putting them on her shoulder, and gave her the boy, and sent her away. And she departed and wandered about in the wilderness of Beersheba.
15 When the water in the skin was used up, she left the boy under one of the bushes. 16 Then she went and sat down opposite him, about a bowshot away, for she said, “Do not let me see the boy die.” And she sat opposite him, and lifted up her voice and wept. 17 God heard the lad crying; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter with you, Hagar? Do not fear, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. 18 “Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him by the hand, for I will make a great nation of him.” 19 Then God opened her eyes and she saw a well of water; and she went and filled the skin with water and gave the lad a drink.
20 God was with the lad, and he grew; and he lived in the wilderness and became an archer. 21 He lived in the wilderness of Paran, and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.
http://foundationstone.com.au/HtmlSupport/WebPage/semiticGenetics.html
These variant spellings are in DNA that is not involved in the genes and therefore has no effect on the body. But the type and abundance of the lineages in each population serve as genetic signature by which to compare different populations.
Based on these variations, Dr. Hammer identified 19 variations in the Y chromosome family tree.
The ancestral Middle East population from which both Arabs and Jews are descended was a mixture of men from eight of these lineages.
Among major contributors to the ancestral Arab-Jewish population were men who carried what Dr. Hammer calls the “Med” lineage. This Y chromosome is found all round the Mediterranean and in Europe and may have been spread by the Neolithic inventors of agriculture or perhaps by the voyages of sea-going people like the Phoenicians.
It was what he meant. I always respected Jervatis posts and comments. A true Patriot whom is fired up and frustrated the nation doesn’t fully support our life and death struggle. And you know what? I am too. But in the end as in all things, righteousness shall prevail. I am probably most frustrated at the pain we as Americans could all avoid if we fully united to defeat this enemy and hold the proxies and puppet masters (Russia and China) fully accountable. Proxy war used to be an immoral way to test ideologies and new weapon system technologies. Now it’s become a deadly game with nuclear proliferation to the most irresponsable countries on earth. That is what the population doesn’t understand.
He should have declined to answer the question instead of lying about it. I no longer give him the benefit of the doubt though. I think he actually believes this fallacy, afterall he and his family are very close friends to the Royal's in Saudi Arabia, a country that is the prime promoter and fund raising machine for Al Qaeda.
HAHAHA. I knew you were going to reply back to me with that, the second I posted it. This was a correct statement from Bush then and it still holds true now. I think I was really hoping Bush would clarify things a bit further for the Arab street rather then appeasing them after 911.
True enough.
If Bush really said this then it simply proves my long-held assertion that he’s a panderer or an idiot. (But in Kerry-esque fashion, I voted for him before I detested him.)
An interesting theory. I'm not sure I can buy it. From my reading, there were millennia between Ismael and Muhammad.
Not answering the question will be the same as saying what you want him to say.
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