The Same God?

Human Events ^ | 10/09/2007 | Cal Thomas

[vietvet67]

Whatever else his critics say of him, no one can fault President Bush for failing to go the extra mile in his efforts to show that neither he, nor the United States, is opposed to the Islamic faith, or to Muslim nations.

Last week, the president and Mrs. Bush hosted their seventh Iftaar Dinner, the celebration that breaks the Muslim fast during Ramadan. Immediately after 9/11, the president visited a Washington, D.C., mosque and proclaimed Islam a “religion of peace.” He has frequently said that terrorists are not real Muslims, anymore than people who proclaim to be Christian and engage in violence are genuine Christians.

The president is the most openly evangelical Christian and faithful churchgoer since Jimmy Carter. And the evangelical community has mostly embraced him and twice voted for him in overwhelming numbers. But that constituency is likely to be troubled over something the president said in an interview with Al Arabiya television. In an official transcript released by the White House, the president said, “…I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God.” Later in the interview, the president repeated his statement: “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

[Brilliant]

We all have the same God. But some of us are not praying to God.

[ovrtaxt]

“I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

Allah the demonic principality isn't the same as YHWH. Not even close.

I think Bush may be sensing the coming massive wave of Muslim conversions to Jesus, thus his comment-- but to say that they worship the same God, no.

Either that, or he's believing some new age crap that somebody told him.

[ClearCase_guy]

If you run John 3:16 by a Muslim and ask if them how they feel about it, they will tell you flat out that the god they worship has no son.

Tells me all I need to know.

[ConorMacNessa]

I believe in the Triune God of Christianity, not Allah.

[DungeonMaster]

“…I believe in an almighty God, and I believe that all the world, whether they be Muslim, Christian, or any other religion, prays to the same God.”

What ever happened to his Christian testimony? Was he lying or was he just spinning his theology to bait evangelicals?

[Mister Da]

Wrong AGAIN, GWB!

[aruanan]

“I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

Neither Islam nor the Arabs came from Abraham. This was an invention of Muhammed to abstract to his own religion a bit of the mojo of one of the two high-tech civilizations of the Arabian Peninsula.

[PrepareToLeave]

Yeah, and the bible does say to "speak the TRUTH in love"not to speak LIES in love. The comment is totally wacked.

[Malesherbes]

I sincerely hope that Bush is simply speaking out of ignorance.

[jveritas]

I disagree with the President on this but what do you expect the President of the United States to say when asked the question if Christians, and muslims worship the same God? Imagine if he says “No they do not worship the same God”, the political implications on our status in the Middle East will be worse than anything you can imagine. Such an action will surely lead to the destruction of the relation we work very hard with blood and treasure to build with the muslims to help us fight and win the war on terror as it is happening now in Iraq.

[savedbygrace]

Matthew 19:17 “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God”

Here Jesus says that he is God. Note that he did not rebuke the man for calling him good; he simply wanted the man to discover why he was calling him good - because Jesus (Yeshua) is God.

By saying what he said in that interview, Bush was denying the truth of the Word of God. That is extremely serious, and if he said it knowingly, he is extremely close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is knowingly attributing the works of Satan to the Holy Spirit. Frightening.

[DungeonMaster]

I disagree with the President on this but what do you expect the President of the United States to say when asked the question if Christians, and muslims worship the same God? Imagine if he says “No they do not worship the same God”, the political implications on our status in the Middle East will be worse than anything you can imagine. Such an action will surely lead to the destruction of the relation we work very hard with blood and treasure to build with the muslims to help us fight and win the war on terror as it is happening now in Iraq.

If I was the president and a Christian in a world with Muslims doing what they are doing, I'd spend a lot more time working out an answer to this question. I would not stab Jesus in the back for political expedience. The middle ease already hates us but loves our money. President Bush could have done a lot better by the Christians that supported him and it wouldn't have changed our status in the middle east at all.

[ClearCase_guy]

Disagree. The Muslims with whom we work and build relations in Iraq (and elsewhere) understand the situation very well. They know -- positively -- that our religion is different and that we worship three false gods. They don't agree with that. They don't respect that.

We're in a one-way situation here (what else is new?). We say we respect them as equals, that their god is our God. And they spit on the ground and call us infidels. We delude ourselves when we say it's all the same. They know better.

But that doesn't mean we cannot work with them and build relations.

[John Leland 1789]

“What ever happened to his Christian testimony? Was he lying or was he just spinning his theology to bait evangelicals?”

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I have been searching for a clear testimony of what George W. Bush believes, and how he became a Christian, since before he ever entered the White House. I have read several books by so-called evangelicals who are supposed to be intimate with the details of Mr. Bush’s conversion to Christ.

I have not found any convincing biblical testimony in any book or in any document.

[DungeonMaster]

100 percent AMEN to every word you said and boy to I love that verse you quoted. What an amazing challenge the Lord made in that question! The guy that called Jesus good had no idea who he was talking to and yet knowing who he was talking to was the very answer to his question.

[jveritas]

You think so?! Well you have no idea how muslims and Middle Eastern think, I do.

[ClearCase_guy]

Tom Cruise? Is that you?

[DungeonMaster]

I have been searching for a clear testimony of what George W. Bush believes, and how he became a Christian, since before he ever entered the White House. I have read several books by so-called evangelicals who are supposed to be intimate with the details of Mr. Bush’s conversion to Christ.

I have not found any convincing biblical testimony in any book or in any document.

I remember an interview before he was first elected that was a pretty strong testimony. I can't remember the words though. I'm starting to wonder if Hillary would be capable of saying the same thing though and if so, what does that mean about the testimony of politicans.

[jveritas]

President Bush has done more to the Christians than any other President in recent memory. He signed a partial birth abortion ban into law, he vetoed a popular stem cell research and he appointed two pro-life supreme court justices. He strongly expressed his opposition to gay marriage.

If President Bush says that the muslim do not worship the same God as Christians there will be political hell to pay in the Middle East, I am 100% sure of this. The President is not going to jeopardize the victory at hand we are seeing in the war on terror just to please some people here at home with one expression.

Anyway, you are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince me.