The Same God?

Human Events ^ | 10/09/2007 | Cal Thomas

[Fishrrman]

God is not allah.

allah is not God.
(lack of capitalization intentional).

The West's only chance for survival is to destroy "allah", along with all that it represents, in the material world.

Otherwise, those who prostate themselves before allah will succeed in doing pretty much the same to us.

- John

[jveritas]

Yes I am scared to death of muslim terrorists and what they are going to do to us, I hate them beyond belief and I want them all dead and annihilated. If you want to call this faithless so be it. May be you want them dead without hating them, and this simply does not add up.

[allmendream]

According to the Bible the father of the Arab people was Ishmael the brother of Isaac and son of Abraham. It was told that he became the father of twelve princes and lived in Hejaz the Arabian Peninsula.

[7thson]

Well, I guess you got me there. Being 18 years in the navy, I admit I was never in combat. I have read a few books though and observed a little in the world. I came to the conclusion that you win wars by beating the enemy down, demanding and getting unconditional surrender terms. It worked pretty well in WW II as well in the Civil War. Funny, the way the United States ran Vietnam and Korea, didn't work out to well. I think when you start handing out the Koran to imprissoned enemies and must handle it with clean, white gloves; whereas I can go to the local book store and buy it with my unwashed hands, than something tells me we ain't winning.

And before you say, what do you want to do, kill them all. Well - yes! I want to beat them down so bad that they have to start thinking that maybe worshipping Allah is not a good thing.

But, as you said before, you already have your mind made up and I suppose I do also. Don't bother replying.

[alcuin]

May be you want them dead without hating them, and this simply does not add up.<<<<<<

Hatred is wasted energy.

Don't hate a problem; solve it.

[William Terrell]

Neither Islam nor the Arabs came from Abraham.

I thought the Arabs came from Ishmael.

[allmendream]

Political expedience is what I expect to hear from the President. Truth you can get from someone else. He is a political leader not a spiritual leader.

“Noting is inconsistent which is expedient to an Imperial City” Euphemus of Athens

[quant5]

“If President Bush says that the muslim do not worship the same God as Christians there will be political hell to pay in the Middle East, I am 100% sure of this. The President is not going to jeopardize the victory at hand we are seeing in the war on terror just to please some people here at home with one expression.”

The real question jveritas is why he must continue to go out of his way to appease Muslims. Simply being quite now would suffice nicely. The Muslims here at home don’t pay much mind to Bush. On the other side of the globe in Arab countries, his statements are considered blasphemy by our enemies. Their is nothing to gain and much to lose on the political front here at home. Conservative Christians will not vote this election. They know what Hillary is about and Barrak is considered a Muslim. They won’t vote Republicans who have not stood up for conservative Christians. Not voting is the same voting for Hillary.

[tabsternager]

Galatians 3:16: The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

[quant5]

“Because the muslim terrorists do the same by quoting their Quran to justify their war, violence, and evil. Do not use the Christian religion as a cover to fight a war, it is against Christianity itself. I am for this war because I want to annihilate the terrorist enemies from existence, I want the terrorists all dead, I think that my extreme hate towards the terrorists and my burning desire to kill them all contradict a lot of my Christian belief and faith but I do not care I want them annihilated from this planet.”

I am Christian and my belief is what Christ admonished and that is to pray for our enemies. I do that so perhaps they may not be destroyed. Christ set the ultimate example dying for all of mankind. War is part of this universe.

Christ said you will know them by their works. I see their works and their works are to destroy the USA and Israel, peoples that wish to simply live in freedom and peace. So I know which God is right and which one wants death to all humanity. I have no qualms as a Christian to annihalate the enemy but my belief is that I feel sorrow for the waste of human life.

If I were President with such beliefs, my message to the Muslims world wide after 911 would have been to choose sides. Choose the side of freedom and liberty or choose the side of death. That if you live by the sword as militant Islam does, you will die by the sword.

[jveritas]

I am the one advocating the total annihilation of the terrorists but it is completely stupid to upset muslim allies who are helping us win this war on terror by asking the President to say that their allah is not our God which as I said I disagree with the President but he is not going to jeopardize the victory in the war on terror so I can get my mental orgasm on Free Republic.

[alcuin]

“Noting is inconsistent which is expedient to an Imperial City” Euphemus of Athens<<<<<

A classic euphemism.

War is peace.

[7thson]

And I’m saying don’t say nothing at all then. Or as someone else posted, this is something he should have had a better response for in order to not offend both parties. But no, he’s got to offend Christians. Now - leave me alone!

[DungeonMaster]

Yes I am scared to death of muslim terrorists and what they are going to do to us, I hate them beyond belief and I want them all dead and annihilated. If you want to call this faithless so be it. May be you want them dead without hating them, and this simply does not add up.

This is where the Lord wants you to be.

Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

I can't help but think of Israel when they were slaves of Egypt. Egypt started hating Israel when they feared them. Our attitude should be more like sheep to the slaughter when it comes to such things. Perhaps you, like me, have a family that you are trying to raise. Nothing gets us more fired up than when we think our family is threatened. The other day someone shot my son with an air rifle as he biked home. The other other day someone smashed my other son's car window because that son tried to stop a theft at the store where he worked. I just hope to share with you the comfort of the scriptures. The bible says to be anxious for nothing and it says that a sparrow is worth a penny yet not one falls to the ground apart from your heavenly Father and we are worth more than many sparrows.

The Lord bless you for sharing your feelings.

[jveritas]

President Bush was very clear shortly after 9/11 by telling the whole world that “either you are with us or you are with the terrorists”. He was right and I am glad that he said it.

[Tolkien]

Utter blasphemy!

[Mrs. Don-o]

Jveritas, the Christian faith does not forbid all acts of war in every case, but it does forbid hatred, which leads to the shedding of innocent blood.

I mean to say that hatred of terrorism itself is justified (God Himself hates terrorism) but for us human beings to be motivated by hatred of other human beings leads sooner or later (usually sooner) to uncontrolled violence which is abominated by God.

"...things which the LORD hates,
which are an abomination to Him:
Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood..."(Proverbs 6:17-19)

"Abomination" means God detests it, He find it absolutely disgusting.

So one must distinguish between actual armed combatant aggressor enemies, who need to be stopped by force, and the many others, millions, who are simply tangled in the coils of darkness and a false prophet.

[aruanan]

According to the Bible the father of the Arab people was Ishmael the brother of Isaac and son of Abraham.

The Bible doesn't say this and there is no genetic evidence of Abraham being a founder of the Arab group.

[alexander_busek]

>>I think Bush may be sensing the coming massive wave of Muslim conversions to Jesus<<

“The” coming massive wave? Or perhaps “a” coming massive wave?

You make this sound as though a coming massive wave had already been determined with certainty. Are you perhaps referring to something foretold in The Book of Revelations? Where can I learn more about this putative wave of conversion of Moslems to the Christian faith?

[aruanan]

I thought the Arabs came from Ishmael.

No, that was Muhammed's propaganda to gain some sort of legitimacy for his new religion. He first appealed to the Christians and Jews of the Arabian Peninsula (the Christian and Jewish kingdoms were the dominant civilizations of that region from the first couple centuries AD onward until Muhammed wiped them out) and included various rituals and references to both religions. He originally had prayers directed toward Jerusalem. The Jews told him to pound sand and he set about destroying them.