Origins of Syphilis [It was waiting for Columbus and his crew~~~NEW WORLD]

Archaeology.org ^ | January/February 1997 | Mark Rose

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Syphilis, it seems, developed in the New World from yaws, perhaps 1,600 years ago, and was waiting for Columbus and his crew. The Rothschilds are now examining skeletal collections from the Bahamas to look for evidence of syphilis nearer to Columbus' landfall.

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It was Ken Burns and I can't believe you believed that garbage. That doc was so anti-America it made one want to throw up. It was totally a crappy piece of ugly hate America propaganda piece. It made me so angry....how dare PBS and Ken Burns put mostly lies on that public station.

And that Indian bit...oh come on...how many of the white Americans did you see that were out and out heros...there were a huge number of them...we saw NOTHING.

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Yes, I’m sure. But in recent yrs the loons have tried to blame everything bad on the whites. They’ve tried to disprove we were given this disease by the indians...trying to re-write or twist history again

[donna]

An American Indian disease wiped out a third of Europe, to the great embarrassment of liberals.

Reparations?

[Age of Reason]

They want to blame the evil white man or western civilization.

It won't upset them.

They'll just say those evil smelly white men raped the indian maidens.

Or got them drunk with white man's firewater, and then did it.

(Although that's probably how it went.)

[2111USMC]

"Reparations?"

If they're short of cash, I'll take mine in the form of a percentage of their casino and tobacco operations.

:)

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I'm sure your right. But the FACT the indians wiped out 1/3 of the European population defuses that argument a bit...that the dirty old white men caused untold deaths. HA...not in those numbers.

Oh come on it didn't take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That's why they're called savages.

[Coyoteman]

William McNeil (or MacNeil) made the yaws/syphillis connection and an argument for a New World origin 30 odd years ago in “Plagues and Peoples, the Influence of Disease on History”.

And that is what I was taught in human osteology classes about that same time.

It sounds like this article just has some more conclusive data, but the overall idea has been pretty much standard for decades.

[Coyoteman]

I'm sure your right. But the FACT the indians wiped out 1/3 of the European population defuses that argument a bit...that the dirty old white men caused untold deaths. HA...not in those numbers.

You are making a big deal out of 1/3 of the European population.

Are you aware that the death rate in many parts of the Americas was twice that, or more?

The California missions and Spanish pueblos, for example, led to a death rate in the coastal areas where they were founded--just during the mission area--of about 90%.

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And what is 90% of...a 100 or 2000 or even 3000...

[dusttoyou]

Oh come on it didn’t take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That’s why they’re called savages.

Yeah, like those Spanish Conquistadors were really a civilized bunch.......

[LowOiL]

They are already saying this account doesn’t work since it is 10 years old. They say China has dug up some more recent accounts, and some Hull findings are around 1300 also.

[Coyoteman]

And what is 90% of...a 100 or 2000 or even 3000...

90%

And the population of the Americas was a lot larger than has previously been recognized. It is now being realized that diseases reduced the population significantly before settlers even reached many areas.

[Taffini]

If I remember correctly tobacco is a native american plant.

How many thousands, if not millions of people have been adversely affected if not killed by tobacco products through out the world since 1492?

If whitey, cracker man gave to world tobacco they would be called mass murders

[samtheman]

When the Niña, the Pinta, and the Santa Maria returned to home port, many people noticed the popularity of a certain t-shirt among the crew of those ships:

My ship went to the New World, but all I got was this lousy venereal infection.

[Coyoteman]

Oh come on it didn’t take much for those savage women to accommodate those white men. That’s why they’re called savages.

Yeah, like those Spanish Conquistadors were really a civilized bunch.......

I think the Spanish Conquistadors can be accurately described as barbarians.

Some of the Central and South American cultures can accurately be described as civilizations.

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Who says...you need to give a reference. I’ve gotten this info from Dr. Jack Wheeler. This is from an article he wrote this week...he is ALWAYS current with his facts...he just doesn’t make mistakes. So you’ll have to prove that statement with a link with provable facts.

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90% of what...lets have some numbers and a link to what you have stated...otherwise...

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http://tinyurl.com/3cc6ck
There seem to have been two great epidemics in England: one about 1600, and another in the late nineteenth century. The 2nd led to the inhibitions of the victorian era.

[concretebob]

Syphillis comes from sheep.
Any "boot" knows that.
How long have sheep been around?
Would anyone care to go looking for Patient Zero?

Yes, it causes insanity. Al Capone died from it in prison.

[Coyoteman]

90% of what...lets have some numbers and a link to what you have stated...otherwise...

Population for the California mission areas prior to the Spanish colonization can be found in Sherburne Cook's The Population of the California Indians 1769-1970 (University of California Press, 1976).

A number of recent works have suggested that Cook's figures are too low. These works are too new to be found on the internet, but you might check recent issues of Journal of California and Great Basin Anthropology.

For additional background information you might also want to check:

Sandos, Converting California: Indians and Franciscans in the Missions (Yale University Press, 2004)

Jackson, Indian Population Decline: The Missions of Northwestern New Spain, 1687-1840 (University of New Mexico Press, 1994)

Hackel, Children of Coyote, Missionaries of Saint Francis: Indian-Spanish Relations in Colonial California, 1769-1850 (University of North Carolina Press, 2005)