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Giuliani, Evangelical Rift Grows Over Abortion
The Christian Post ^ | October 5, 2007 | Michelle Vu

Posted on 10/05/2007 4:24:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: FreeInWV; 383rr; abishai; Afronaut; airborne; Alberta's Child; Antonious; azhenfud; B Knotts; ...
The “Stop Rudy” ping list!

E-mail/ping me if you want on/off the list! SPREAD THE WORD!!!

What’s a few million babies between fellow Republicans, eh? Damn those Christians!....won’t sacrifice everything they believe in to be good little loyal Republicans no matter what!

41 posted on 10/05/2007 6:24:41 PM PDT by TitansAFC ("My 80% enemy is not my 20% friend" -- Common Sense)
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To: Mariner
"Why? Because if it came down to voting for Rudy or Hillary I’d gladly place a vote for Rudy?"

Yes, that looks like a sure sign of no conservative values to me.

42 posted on 10/05/2007 6:34:46 PM PDT by penowa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He wouldn’t even face her in the New York Senate race, why should we think he’ll beat her for the highest office in the land?

Exactly!

No major political party in American History has KNOWINGLY nominated a candidate for president who they knew couldn't even win their home state (the 'Rats had no reason to think that Algore couldn't carry Tennessee in 2000 since BJ Klintoon won it both times).

43 posted on 10/05/2007 6:35:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mariner; LS; 2ndDivisionVet; babygene; Grunthor; bill1952; Star Traveler
The simple fact is that any vote not cast, or one cast for a 3rd party out of "conscience" is a vote for whoever won.

A conservative with a conscience protesting the nominee by failing to vote for the Republican in an election where the Democrat wins has effectively voted for the Democrat. Anyone remember 1992 and 1996?

How can anyone speaking of being true to their conscience not vote for the best choice of two, even if the best choice is not perfect, or is even far from perfect?

The primaries are the place for selecting the best standard bearers. Opinions on who's best will vary. My first choice in 1980 was not Reagan -- I wanted Phil Crane. My first choice in 1988 was not Bush -- I wanted Kemp.

As a Republican, I chose to support the Republican party's nominee, because no Democrat is an electoral option for a conservative with a CONSCIENCE.

Make the choice to support the most conservative choice of the two electable choices, and do so as matter of damage control if for no other reason.

A vote cast on that basis should give any one with a good conscience a clear conscience -- that is if the person really cares about electoral outcomes, and Supreme Court appointments to be making something more than just a self-righteous statement about themselves.

The stakes are higher than any single issue.

We're on the team fighting for conservatism. We may not always like the quarterback, but we will be certain to make no touch downs if we choose to play tepidly or simply decide to just walk off the field.

44 posted on 10/05/2007 6:37:32 PM PDT by My2SonsAreMarines (They are both Eagle Scouts too -- and I'm proud of them!)
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To: Mariner
It appears that Dobson would rather see Hillary as president

No, he just doesn't want to see a liberal in the White House, like most of us he realizes that there is ZERO difference between Rooty Toot and Hitlery (other than the fact that Rooty is more comfortable wearing a dress).

45 posted on 10/05/2007 6:37:47 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Mariner

I know what James Dobson’s principles are, but what are yours?


46 posted on 10/05/2007 6:38:22 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: daylilly

Dobson seems to have forgotten about small steps leading to a larger goal.


47 posted on 10/05/2007 6:39:00 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: PAR35

We don’t have to resign ourselves to Giuliani at this point or even into the next coming months. There are better options clearly available to us.


48 posted on 10/05/2007 6:41:12 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (PUT AMERICA AHEAD! VOTE FOR FRED!!)
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To: jobim

“Of course, a truly prolife conservative must be on the correct side of the immigration debate as well to get our vote.

Of course, the answer is DUNCAN HUNTER!!


49 posted on 10/05/2007 6:43:38 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: My2SonsAreMarines
As a Republican, I chose to support the Republican party's nominee, because no Democrat is an electoral option for a conservative with a CONSCIENCE.

But why is ANY LIBERAL an option?

The stakes are higher than any single issue.

You're right, and Rooty Toot is the biggest single issue candidate since William Henry Harrison back in 1840.

50 posted on 10/05/2007 6:44:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: nosofar
"The liberal who promote increased abortion, or the liberal who'll simply tolerate what we have now."

Which one is which?

51 posted on 10/05/2007 6:47:54 PM PDT by penowa
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To: prairiebreeze

You said it!


52 posted on 10/05/2007 6:51:45 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Prior to Rudy, the Giuliani family pronounced its name like "Jewl-yawni."

Rudy began calling himself "Julie Annie" when he began running with a "sexually liberal" crowd.

53 posted on 10/05/2007 6:52:57 PM PDT by tear gas
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To: wagglebee
We are both deeply pro-life individuals. I know this from other posts of yours I have read.

We have to face the fact that unlike with Reagan or George W. Bush, no electable, historically pro-life candidate has emerged in our Republican line-up at this time.

If this line up is our choice we must face the fact that we must select the best, and most electable one we do have.

I gave this football analogy on another thread:

We're on the team fighting for conservatism. We may not always like the quarterback, but we will be certain to make no touch downs if we choose to play tepidly or simply decide to just walk off the field.

54 posted on 10/05/2007 6:56:47 PM PDT by My2SonsAreMarines (They are both Eagle Scouts too -- and I'm proud of them!)
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To: wagglebee
"No major political party in American History has KNOWINGLY nominated a candidate for president who they knew couldn't even win their home state..."

I kept telling people way back before there was anything but a rumor that Rudy might run, that the Republican party couldn't possibly be that stupid or suicidal to nominate not just some liberal who is unable to even guarantee his home state, but also is from the SAME home state as the candidate from the opposing party.

Just shows that it doesn't pay to overestimate the intelligence or will to survive of the Republican party.

55 posted on 10/05/2007 6:59:14 PM PDT by penowa
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; P-Marlowe

When they get into the actual campaign, any Democratic candidate would start immediately telling his soft money friends to show wife 1, wife 2....abused, misused, cheated on, abandoned, emotionally attacked and left out to dry.

And if someone someplace thinks it won’t happen, then they’re nuts.

And, as odd as it sounds, here comes Hillary to the Patsy Cline tune: “Stand by Your Man.” She’ll be Mrs Family of the Year.

And compared to Giuliani she will pull it off.


56 posted on 10/05/2007 7:06:22 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; dixiechick2000; LibLieSlayer

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James Dobson on Hannity today:

A creepy liar -

A bought & paid for sleeper sellout

I*ll be reviewing him and his “Council” and taking some down hard

He does not care if Hillary and Slick Willie pollute the White House for 8 more years

He pans Rudy, McCain, Fred, and was cagey about Romney

“There are ‘others’ out there!” Dobson proclaimed

I use and nifty gizmo that monitors and records voices

Dobson is a pathetic liar with the same patterns as the Klintoons exposed when he speaks

The Israelis are tops in voice analyzing tech as few know

Do not forget that one of these “leaders” invited Hussein “Flag” O*Bomber to speak to his flock

James Dobson:

Phoney Christian
Phoney American
Phoney Patriot
Paid-Off Pansy

Genuine Egotist


57 posted on 10/05/2007 7:14:23 PM PDT by devolve (---- -Secret_Asian_Man_&_Dr.No-No_Sorass_-)
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To: My2SonsAreMarines
A conservative with a conscience protesting the nominee by failing to vote for the Republican in an election where the Democrat wins has effectively voted for the Democrat. Anyone remember 1992 and 1996?

Assuming your assessment is correct for arguments sake, the lesson to be learned from these elections is conservatives were wrong for voting their convictions instead of sacrificing their principles to vote for someone simply for the sake of winning. That is the type of thinking that caused the GOP to lose the Presidential elections in 1992, 1996, the majority in Congress in 2006 and split the GOP. The GOP needs to stop whining and moaning conservatives refuse to adopt a more socialist tone. It can rectify the problem by returning to Conservative principles instead of continuing its slippery slope towards more socialism.
58 posted on 10/05/2007 7:21:02 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: prairiebreeze
Dobson seems to have forgotten about small steps leading to a larger goal.

Dobson, along with conservatives realize the GOP has taken many small steps over the years towards socialism in the name of compromising and appeasing the socialist Democrats. The only result has been more socialism because the Democrats never give up their core socialist beliefs.It's time to end the compromise and draw a line in the sand by standing up for one's core principles.
59 posted on 10/05/2007 7:26:28 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: upsdriver
You don't care what my principles are, just as I don't care what yours are.

What I care about is winning the war against the jihad...and I suspect social conservatives could place that at risk over "principle".

There are far higher issues at stake than whether a candidate supports the FMA...or personally is pro-life or pro-death.

The survival of our civilization is at stake and those like Dobson are willing to let it burn over "principle".

60 posted on 10/05/2007 7:30:32 PM PDT by Mariner
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