Resistance is futile
Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.
Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Yep. There's no reason to trust a former Mormon to be honest about Mormon practices any more than someone who was never Mormon.
“Since MHGinTN brought you into this discussion, I would like to point out that there has been a concerted effort by colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Elsie; Colofornian; and GreyFoxx39; (I got the list from post #3) to attack the Mormon Religion every time Mitt Romney is mentioned. The attacks have grown increasingly shrill and virulent with each passing thread.”
Actually, what we have been attacking is the consequences of a Mormon presidency, which would by default bring numerous negative repercussions because of the executive branch’s place as the moral bully pulpit of the nation. Not the least of which is the the question of the sanity of a president who believes in seer stones, magic underwear, celestial polygamy, hieroglyphic interpretations, etc. Much less the consequences of a president who believes he is on a path to becoming God.
The Mormons were ousted from Missouri and Illinois because of what were in good part the secessionist inclinations of Joseph Smith who was trying to set up a kingdom on earth. I think some (not all) of these problems are likely to recur in various forms during a Romney presidency. If those aren’t serious political questions, I don’t know what would be.
I would oppose the Scientologist Tom Cruise just as vehemently were he to try for the Republican nomination because of its cult status.
“What concerns me is the general degradation in the political discourse, not just on the Mitt threads but on all of the political candidate threads. If I didn’t know any better, my first reaction would be that we have been infiltrated with agents, whose sole purpose is disruption. If that is the case the agents have succeeded.”
Yes, we are all secret agents sent by unseen conspirators to disrupt the candidacy of Mitt Romney. Of course, LeGrande seems oddly silent about the similarly conspiratorial list of Mormon apologists who show up on en every Romney thread extolling Mitt’s God like abilities, and also show up on Fred threads trying to deep-six his campaign. Obviously we are anti-Mormon bigots while somehow Mormon-apologists following the mirror image strategy are not bigots but Saints. Please, let us all put on our tinfoil hats now.
“Is there a purpose for Free Republic beyond endless attacks and counter attacks?”
Yes, if you want to follow the Mormon model and excommunicate everyone who doesn’t follow the hive mentality (that seems to create quite a mind numbing consensus among the Mormon faithful). But I suggest vigorous debate is exactly what FreeRepublic is about and I am curious why nearly all of the Mormon apologists here must call so repeatedly for censure, what are they afraid of? I am also curious if this is some kind of Mormon conspiracy born of almost two centuries of cloistered secrecy and concepts like blood atonement to try and eradicate resistance to the hive?
Okay, so you really didn’t mean what you said. Got it.
Yes and yes, but a wedding dress isn't 'sacred'. What a ridiculous comparison. You've shown I have good reason not to trust what you'd have to say about Mormon practices.
Resistance is futile
I swear, all the members of the anti-mormon cabal have dementia or ADD.
What was the point of your post? You do recall that I am an Atheist don't you?
I am only agreeing with the Pope Elsie (you know, the guy who leads the church that wrote The Book that you so devoutly worship). He said that your protestant belief doesn't have the power to save.
How can an Atheist disagree with the Pope? Hmm, maybe I am losing my religion. I guess I will have to pray about it? LOL
Excellent rebuttal to your friends and apologists who keep posting "I never heard any mormon speak ill of another religion".
Another point you make for us, many of my friends who are evangelicals have the same opinion. Out of some semblance of courtesy, they never bothered to tell me what they really thought about me and my beliefs.
Remember, these people are voters too.
The constant effort to silence and censor those of us who oppose mormonism may eventually work here at FR, but there are many who silently agree with us.
You are so silly you sound like King Herod when he had all of the baby boys killed under the age of two, because he feared Jesus when he grew up would take over his kingdom!
I do believe this is “The Church of Jesus Christ”, but the Kingdom he will set up is not of this world!
And all of the Christian faiths believe on some level a time will come that Lord will set up his Kingdom.
But that is not going to happen by a citizen running for president!
Even your religious leader Martin Luther had some strange ideas and you don’t see me attacking him with conspiracy theories!
The apologists have borrowed from the liberal "victim class" in overusing the word "bigot". Mormons have hollered "persecution" since the early days of the church and it has served them well...however, when November '08 rolls around that coin will have little value with the general electorate.
The point of my posting the article is that for months we have been hearing the apologists and Romney supporters claim that his religion will NOT be a factor if he gets the nomination....
We are seeing more articles in the mainstream press, of which the WP is a main player, proving that religion IS a factor.
I maintain, as I have all along, that a vote for Romney in the primaries is a vote for Hillary in the general.
In your temple plays, didn’t Satan wear a collar? As in a priest or minister’s collar?
I’d say thats a huge message against other religions.
Look dear, a wedding dress is a physical thing. You wore it once, you own it. The lace is seen, the bottons are seen, the zipper can be touched....get it.
Just like the physical existence of the Mormon Garment of the Priesthood. It is a physical thing. I own it. You can see it and touch it. You can see the markings on it. You can see the square and compass. I offered to pose so you COULD see it. And for that I get this bull crap, that because I no longer believe I can’t be trusted?
Do you really have an issue with that, just because I no longer attend my LDS ward, you cannot believe what you can see, or touch? That is patently laughable.
Having Romney as a nominee would play right into the hands of the dems and the press who have spent the past six years deploring the "secercy" of the Bush administration.
Hey LG, I wondered where you were.
Name one.
My point has been that I do not support Mitt on political grounds. When that is said I am called a bigot, anti-LDS etc. When I state what my LDS side of they family says I am called a liar, ill-informed, etc.
Have I said that LDS is a cult, yes and I have a right to say that, and do not apologize.
I do not support Mitt for political reasons, having said that if he is the last man standing I will vote for him over Hillary or who ever.
I think the real issue is that there are those who act as though discourse is shrill and belittling if not agreed with.
Have a good day.
Gosh, don't leave us in suspense! Just what criteria are you using in your judgement? I personally have a problem with the actions some of the Episcopals, but not all congregations are in agreement with those actions.
That being the case, all that is available to judge his commitment are his past deeds as Governor. And, as we say way out here in the Heartland - "He's all hat and no cattle".
Wait...I say cult and I am a bigot, anti-LDS but Christians in the ministry who have salaries are hacks, charlatans...
Wow, what a way to be reverent of others beliefs.
Even the priests of the temples were salaried.
Not being paid, untrained, unschooled and only working part time is not the “calling” that you think it is.
Hey, doesn’t the president of LDS and his staff get a salary? Or is that ok?
It is certain that sooner or later, Romney will address the nation. His task is vastly more complicated than John F. Kennedy's was on Sept. 12, 1960, when he told the Greater Houston Ministerial Council that as president he would not take orders from the pope. Romney will no more attempt explaining Mormon theology than Kennedy ventured into Roman Catholic doctrine. He will do what I suggested he do 17 months ago: deplore a religious test as un-American ~ Robert Novak
You did not bother to read just re-act it is so sad how many here are filled and operate on contempt!
“You are so silly you sound like King Herod when he had all of the baby boys killed under the age of two, because he feared Jesus when he grew up would take over his kingdom!”
What the hell does that mean? Some of your usual nutty projection.
“I do believe this is “The Church of Jesus Christ”, but the Kingdom he will set up is not of this world!”
Of course, that wasn’t Joseph Smith’s tactic, he was busy setting up a theocracy with his Council of 50 to co-rule the earthly world with Joe as king, that was surly a Kingdom of this world. The psychology of someone who believes he’s going to become God is what is bizarre enough to preclude me from voting for him for president.
“Even your religious leader Martin Luther had some strange ideas and you don’t see me attacking him with conspiracy theories!”
And here’s where we differ. Martin Luther was not a saint nor did he claim to be. If you can find areas where he was wrong, go for it, I have no problem with you pointing this out.
But you on the other hand must defend Joseph Smith’s infallibility to the death (or spin it that way), because otherwise all that poppycock about gold tablets, hieroglyphics, seer stones, magic underwear, etc. all becomes just a giant carnival trick by a scamster.
So say what you like about Martin, he was just a man, not a God.
You rely only on what they provide? You do not do outside research and look for materials that your libraries don’t possess?
How can you be certain you aren’t getting a jaundiced view of the topic you are researching?
I have been in small-town libraries in heavily mormon-occupied areas where any publication in the card catalog that would provide content counter to the official LDS line has mysteriously disappeared from the stacks. Some zealots feel it's a "calling" to banish these evil books and keep them out of innocent hands.
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