God bless the RW&B!!
Posted on 10/04/2007 9:40:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When Mitt Romney appeared last week (via closed circuit from California) before the Council of Retired Chief Executives meeting in Washington, he faced kindred souls: rich Republicans who had managed big enterprises. Yet the second question from the audience was whether Romney's Mormon faith was hurting his quest for the Republican presidential nomination. He replied that about the only people who brought up his religion were members of the media, an answer that simply is untrue.
Romney is asked about Mormonism wherever he goes. In my travels, I find his religious preference cited everywhere as the source of opposition to his candidacy. His response to the former chief executives that only reporters care about this issue sounded like a politician's tired evasion. Romney was either too obtuse to appreciate his problem or was stalling because he had not determined how to deal with it. Contact with his advisers indicates that it's the latter.
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I hope someday you look at a history of the Mormon church that is not sanitized and learn what you are really following.
You have shown photos of a six-pointed star and a decorative five-pointed star that in no way resembles a pentagram — as if it even matters...
Hmm I wonder why Paul would have used those words. Maybe it was the translators. What do you think the original Greek was?
Regardless - the doctrine of three degrees of Heaven is found nowhere in the Bible. Earning your way into one of those degrees is not Biblical.
Mormonism isn’t Biblical. Sorry.
Been there, done that. I’ve also studied the history of Catholicism, Islam, Hinduism, Sikhism, Orthodoxy, and most of the larger Protestant denominations. Congratulations on a laughable non-sequitor (look it up)...
He didn’t use those words. I’ve studied and read both Greek and Latin and my (only) wife has read the Old testament in Hebrew — have you?
Early Chirstians, such as Origen, agree with Joseph Smith's context of that bible verse.
The Three Degrees of Glory and Outer Darkness
The Tanners object to the Latter-day Saint use of 1 Corinthians 15:40 to support our doctrine of degrees of glory because there is no evidence that the word telestial was originally used and because celestial simply means "heavenly" and terrestrial means "earthly." "A careful examination of the context, verses 35-54, reveals that Paul was comparing our earthly body with the body we shall receive in the resurrection; he was not speaking of three kingdoms in heaven" (p. 199). However, reading further, verses 41 and 42 clarify:
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. (1 Corinthians 15:40-42)
Although Joseph Smith's interpretation of this passage is not obvious, it exactly coincides with the interpretation of the early Christian Church as reported by the theologian Origen:
Our understanding of the passage indeed is, that the apostle, wishing to describe the great difference among those who rise again in glory, i.e., of the saints, borrowed a comparison from the heavenly bodies, saying, "One is the glory of the sun, another the glory of the moon, another the glory of the stars."35
Therefore, whether or not the word telestial is a restoration of lost text, Joseph Smith's emended text certainly restores lost context to the passage that was obvious to the early Christians but that is missed by most modern readers.
Of course, the Tanners also passed over Paul's report of a vision wherein he was "caught up to the third heaven" (2 Corinthians 12:2). Jean Daniélou writes that in ancient Jewish and Jewish Christian thought, "This hidden world includes first of all the heavens. Of these, traditional Judaism knew only three: the heaven of meteors, the heaven of stars and the heaven of God, and this is the scheme employed in the older Jewish apocalyptic. It is this system to which Paul alludes." Some Jewish Christians elaborated the three-heaven system into one of seven or more heavens, but in all cases, beings of various degrees of glory were thought to inhabit them.36
So what were the original Greek words used?
“I hope someday you look at a history of the Mormon church that is not sanitized and learn what you are really following.”
OK I accept the challenge. Name five non-sanitized books about Mormon history that I should read. If I can’t show you that they have obvious lies in them, I will read them through.
I think what we will find is that you have no idea what you are talking about.
Greek word: epouranios (translated in the KJV to Celestial)
epigeios: (translated in the KJV to Terrestrial)
Tell me, what do they mean in Greek?
epouranios — heavenly 16, celestial 2, in heaven 1, high 1
epigeios - earthly 4, terrestrial 2, in earth 1
Don’t the stars on the American flag have five points?
God bless the RW&B!!
If I can’t show you that they have obvious lies in them, I will read them through.
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How could you show me the lies without reading them? By asking your bishop? You brainwashed boob!
You betcha! :)
Post#224 and 225, Delphi User makes the same claims. How many freeper ID’s do you post under?
Your ignorance is simply frightening. The idea of the pentagram being associated with the occult is a modern invention, much like the rainbow being associated with homosexuality. That you have bought into it is more proof that you know nothing of the ancient origins of your Christian faith. The five pointed star was used anciently to represent the “Sons of God”. The six pointed star was used to represent the “fixed” stars in the heavens. Both are seen on the Temple. The inverted star is also associated with “The Morning Star”. And, no, that doesn’t mean we worship Venus. The Hebrews knew nothing about that Greek god. Its symbolism is rich in the declarations of the Son of God coming from the east, which is where that “star” is seen in the morning- heralding the return of light and knowledge. And so it carries that same symbolism. Much like Jesus Christ taught in parables so that those who had ears to hear might hear- likewise, symbols are used generously in the Temple to both reveal and conceal according to the understanding one has sought from Heavenly Father and their preparedness to receive further instruction. Sadly, you severed those bonds long ago and now all is darkness to you.
The stars ar ‘point up’ but the occult stars are ‘point down’ as a rejection of Christ’s suffering ‘points’. The down pointed stars of Mormonism are unlikely to be understood by average Mormons as derived from Masonic occultic images. But then, most Mormons are not allowed to know ‘all the deeper things’ of the cult. Try asking a Mormon why the baptismals in the Temples have cattle on them and from what those derive.
Psst! Don’t tell anybody but we already had 2 Unitarian presidents.
So I guess the trashing by the Washington Compost is now suddenly gospel to the Mitt haters.
1) Mr. Romney is a prominent member of a religious cult that believes that “the Bible is full of errors”, that the ludicrous Book of Mormon has supplanted the Bible and is “god’s” latest revelation to mankind, that their so-called leader/president speaks new/divine revelation from “god”, that Jesus Christ is Satan’s brother, that “god” was once a man and that men, by following the doctrines and dictates of Mormonism can become “gods” ruling over their own planets, propagating these new worlds by having sex with the wives they have married here on earth. Holy underwear, that Jesus Christ came to America, that the Indians were Jews, that the virgin birth was the direct result of “god” having sex with Mary. Anyone who believes this space-cadet theology shows a lack of discernment at the core of their being. I do not care how many Olympics this guy has “saved” and run well, or experience he has had as governor.
It is also vitally important to note that in order to obtain the high position Mr. Romney currently holds within the cult he has had to take an oath to the “church”; swearing his allegiance to Mormonism and it’s leadership and to doing everything within his power to establish the Mormon "kingdom of god" upon the earth. This fact alone disqualifies him from holding the office of President of the United States because his allegiance lies elsewhere.
Recently, Mormonism has sought legitimacy by claiming to be “Christian”, and following the Jesus of the Bible, but this is a very recent phenomena in it's history. Fortunately, it’s current president/leader has admitted that Mormons do not in point of fact follow the traditional Christ of the Bible, or of biblical Christianity::
The current president of the Mormon Church, Gordon B. Hinckley, made a very telling comment about Jesus Christ in a talk in Geneva, Switzerland, June 6, 1998. The Deseret News reported:
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints "do not believe in the traditional Christ. No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times.
He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages." (Deseret News, Church News section, Salt Lake City, Utah, week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7)
President. Hinckley, the leader of Mormonism, was being totally honest and told the truth; Mormons do not worship the traditional Jesus Christ who is described in the Bible, the Holy Word of God. They worship a false christ as proclaimed and taught by Joseph Smith, who, according to Hinckley “knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages"... if you believe that, there is a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
It should be noted that, from its inception Mormonism has been deemed a cult and NEVER been recognized as being a part of “Christianity or Christendom because it’s core doctrines are in total opposition to the Word of God, the doctrine of salvation, the Christ of the Bible, and the Christ of Christianity.
There are also valid political reasons for not voting for Mr. Romney.
2) Mr. Romney has flip flopped on abortion, homosexuality and a number of other issues while in his position of leadership as governor of MA. He had the opportunity to take a stand and he bent which ever way the political wind blew.
3) During the gas crunch/crises that took place while he was governor of MA. Mr. Romney had the opportunity to provide some relief for the struggling people of MA by rolling back or eliminating the exceptionally high MA gas tax during the period covering the gas crisis. People throughout the state were hurting. People in the state begged him to do this but he staunchly refused… so much for his commitment to “cutting taxes”.
Yes he is “handsome” and telegenic, but people here in NH know him, what he believes and how he governs and frankly, many of us do not want him to become the leader of the free world and can not/will not vote for him.
I, along with others who have mentioned these facts concerning Mormonism are telling the truth about the CULT in order to educate the public at large. Whether people wish to acknowledge it or not, the fact of the matter is this: what one believes and follows has a direct bearing and impact upon how they live their lives and how they view the world and their place in it and in the case of politicians, …how they govern (The "president" of Iran is a good example of the reailty behind this principle). Therefore, stating what Mormonism teaches, believes and practices is not “Mormon bashing", it is presenting reality. The facts stated above about the cult which Mr. Romney is so actively involved in are readily available and easily verified by anyone and everyone who is willing to take the time to do some simple apologetics research with an open mind, taking Mormonism at face value, examining it's founders, leaders, doctrines, beliefs and practices in light of history, the Word of God and the founder (The Lord Jesus Christ), leaders, doctrine and beliefs of biblical Christianity and "the faith once and for all delivered to the saints."
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