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A Thousand Chinese Einsteins Every Year
TCS Daily ^ | 02 Oct 2007 | James Miller

Posted on 10/03/2007 11:08:51 AM PDT by BGHater

Humankind may be changed radically by the recently developed technique allowing the safe gathering of thousands of immature eggs from a woman's ovarian tissue. This technique combined with cheap DNA sequencing and embryo selection will soon allow parents to multiply their newborn children's intellectual potential.

Some parents already use embryo selection to avoid conceiving children genetically predisposed to certain diseases. Here is how such embryo selection works. Let's say that a naturally conceived child of a certain couple has a 25% chance of being born with a fatal genetic disease. Rather than naturally conceiving a child, however, this couple might go to a fertility clinic. The clinic would remove, say, seven eggs from the woman and fertilize them with sperm from her husband. These fertilized eggs would become embryos. An embryo contains the full DNA of the child it could become. The clinic could therefore check each embryo to determine if it has the gene combination that would result in the fatal disease. The clinic would then destroy the embryos that have the fatal genes and implant one of the surviving embryos into the woman, insuring that the woman would not give birth to a child with the fatal genetic condition.

Now imagine how embryo selection will take place in the near future. By some predictions, within five years the cost of sequencing DNA will be "affordable enough that personal genomics will be integrated into routine clinical care." Once millions of people have their DNA sequenced researchers may quickly determine which combination of genes gives people the best chance of having a high IQ. Parents using embryo selection could, therefore, screen their embryos and pick the one with the greatest intellectual potential.

A recent advance in gathering eggs from women will make it much easier for choosey moms to give birth to geniuses. Two British fertility clinics have found a way of safely obtaining thousands of eggs from a woman. Fertility clinics, therefore, will soon be able to give a couple thousands of embryos to pick from. So let's say that a certain couple's genes mean that normally they have only a 1% chance of conceiving a child with the genetic potential to reach a genius IQ. With the ability to select among thousands of embryos, however, this couple could now almost guarantee that their offspring has the genetic potential of a genius.

Embryo selection gets even more interesting when we consider how a nation such as China might use it. Imagine that in ten years China forces all its college students to get genetic tests. Students with intelligence genes in the top 1% of the top 1% of humankind are then forced to donate sperm or eggs. China then uses the sperm and eggs to create a billion embryos each year. The genetic intellectual potential of all these embryos is checked. Those in the top 10,000 are implanted into women. Each of these embryos has the intellectual potential to be in the top one-billionth of humankind. Now because of environmental factors many of these embryos won't turn into intellectual titans. But let's say that one in ten does. This means that each year 1,000 people with the scientific ability of Einstein will be born. By 2035 they will become adults and start doing scientific research. I imagine these Einsteins will be rather helpful to China's economy and military.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: china; dna; embryo; ethics; morals; mores; values
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1 posted on 10/03/2007 11:08:55 AM PDT by BGHater
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ping for future (hopefully this thread gets lots of comments).


2 posted on 10/03/2007 11:10:44 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: BGHater
It's a Brave New World.
3 posted on 10/03/2007 11:13:42 AM PDT by PeterFinn
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Yea a thousand Chinese Einstiens and no Chinese women - great trade. I have had some deep thoughts before, but they don’t replace women.


4 posted on 10/03/2007 11:15:17 AM PDT by Jigajog
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To: BGHater
Einstein had lots of issues in his personal life and I certainly would not have wanted him running a country. Yes, he was a very talented physicist, sometimes right, sometimes wrong. The point is not specifically about Einstein. It’s about the question “What is intelligence?”. ‘Smart’ people have done some terrible things in this world of ours. Makes me wonder who is even qualified to define ‘smart’. I know this is a little off topic, but I couldn’t help myself.
5 posted on 10/03/2007 11:17:21 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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The only thing they will have is a bunch of pissed off men without women.


6 posted on 10/03/2007 11:17:43 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
ping for future (hopefully this thread gets lots of comments).

Unfortunately, most of the comments will want to focus on the destruction of the non-selected embryos rather than to discuss the broader technological issues or the bioethics of selective reproduction that results in 1000 Einsteins.

Just for the record, I do not support abortion but would like to see this thread have the more focused discussion. Abortion can be discussed as a subject unto itself without a total thread hijack.

7 posted on 10/03/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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Yipee! Breeding robot-geeks for the greater glory of People’s Republic of China. Maybe they can also breed out any dissent, wrong thoughts, love, compassion, second guessing and urge for freedom. Soulless order-obeyers that need only a bowl of rice a day. I’m sure Hillary has already ordered her personal clone army.


8 posted on 10/03/2007 11:19:34 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: BGHater
Einstein was a free thinker who would not be told what to do by anyone. Let's hope China does produce a thousand Einsteins who succeed in subverting the authoritarian Chinese state.
9 posted on 10/03/2007 11:20:42 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

If they end up with 1000 Einstein’s I’m sure they’ll figure out a way to depose the present dunderheads that run the country and implement a free society.


10 posted on 10/03/2007 11:20:52 AM PDT by toast
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The only thing they will have is a bunch of pissed off men without women.

Or a lot of gay Chinese.............

11 posted on 10/03/2007 11:21:36 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

No prob. Our undercover agents sneak some DNA into their labs, and before you know it they’re overrun by a million Chinese Murthas, Pelosis and Schumers. Glub*glub*glub*—GaAAcK!


12 posted on 10/03/2007 11:22:25 AM PDT by RedQuill
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If it turns out that there is a generic predisposition to “religious belief”, and you believe that the non-religious are doomed to eternal damnation, would it be moral NOT to select for children likely to be religious?


13 posted on 10/03/2007 11:26:02 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: Red Badger

They will breed out any libido aswell... heck! Why not just breed hairless, asexual hyper-intelligent uber-humanoids?


14 posted on 10/03/2007 11:27:10 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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I’m surprised that some “Dear Leader”, somewhere, is not alredy forcing every woman in the country to do their patriotic duty and carry his sons.


15 posted on 10/03/2007 11:28:52 AM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: BGHater
This is assuming there’s a silk purse in there somewhere with all the sows ears. More easily a parent can dramatically increase the IQ of their children by some unknown combination of 1) choosing a smarter person to mate with, 2) the mom eating just right while the baby is developing, 3) feeding the child just right, 4) the right mental stimulation, 5) education and upbringing, 6) physical stimulation.
16 posted on 10/03/2007 11:29:20 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Would give a new meaning to “Father of the People”.
You may be on to something.


17 posted on 10/03/2007 11:30:15 AM PDT by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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To: SolidWood
Why not just breed hairless, asexual hyper-intelligent uber-humanoids?


18 posted on 10/03/2007 11:33:29 AM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we have consensus.......)
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To: toast

Not so sure. I’m a believer in the adage that ‘it would be better to have the country run by a group of people picked randomly from the phone book than by the entire faculty of Harvard’.


19 posted on 10/03/2007 11:34:03 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Red Badger

HYPER-INTELLIGENT. Not just hairless and asexual.


20 posted on 10/03/2007 11:34:29 AM PDT by ConservatismNow (Iran is just a fantastic natural resource crying out for new, more responsible owners.)
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