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Secessionists from South and New England to meet
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Posted on 10/03/2007 6:23:44 AM PDT by free_life

Charleston Daily Mail Secessionists from South and New England to meet

The Associated Press

Wednesday October 03, 2007

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. -- In an unlikely marriage of desire to secede from the United States, two advocacy groups from opposite political traditions -- New England and the South -- are sitting down to talk.

Tired of foreign wars and what they consider right-wing courts, the Middlebury Institute wants liberal states like Vermont to be able to secede peacefully.

That sounds just fine to the League of the South, a conservative group that refuses to give up on Southern independence.

"We believe that an independent South, or Hawaii, Alaska, or Vermont would be better able to serve the interest of everybody, regardless of race or ethnicity," said Michael Hill of Killen, Ala., president of the League of the South.

Separated by hundreds of miles and divergent political philosophies, the Middlebury Institute and the League of the South are hosting a two-day Secessionist Convention starting today in Chattanooga.

They expect to attract supporters from California, Alaska and Hawaii, inviting anyone who wants to dissolve the Union so states can save themselves from an overbearing federal government.

If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders "probably would allow abortion and have gun control," Hill said, while Southerners "would probably crack down on illegal immigration harder than it is being now."

The U.S. Constitution does not explicitly prohibit secession, but few people think it is politically viable.

Vermont, one of the nation's most liberal states, has become a hotbed for liberal secessionists, a fringe movement that gained new traction because of the Iraq war, rising oil prices and the formation of several pro-secession groups.

Thomas Naylor, the founder of one of those groups, the Second Vermont Republic, said the friendly relationship with the League of the South doesn't mean everyone shares all the same beliefs.

But Naylor, a retired Duke University professor, said the League of the South shares his group's opposition to the federal government and the need to pursue secession.

"It doesn't matter if our next president is Condoleeza (Rice) or Hillary (Clinton), it is going to be grim," said Naylor, adding that there are secessionist movements in more than 25 states, including Hawaii, Alaska, New Hampshire, South Carolina and Texas.

The Middlebury Institute, based in Cold Spring, N.Y., was started in 2005. Its followers, disillusioned by the Iraq war and federal imperialism, share the idea of states becoming independent republics. They contend their movement is growing.

The first North American Separatist Convention was held last fall in Vermont, which, unlike most Southern states, supports civil unions. Voters there elected a socialist to the U.S. Senate.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii; US: South Carolina; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: dumbidea; enemywithin; foolishness; hippies; nonsense; renegades; secession; sellouts; sillystuff; soros; treason
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To: free_life

Maybe Vermont should try just one year without paying any federal taxes or collecting any federal highway money, education money or HHS money and just see how it goes for them.


21 posted on 10/03/2007 6:55:06 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Archon of the East
no population and no guns to protect them from expansionist Canada.

They're protected by the fact that most Canadians don't want them.

22 posted on 10/03/2007 6:56:18 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: free_life
If allowed to go their own way, New Englanders "probably would allow abortion and have gun control,"

And this would be different how?

23 posted on 10/03/2007 6:57:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: free_life

What year this is?


24 posted on 10/03/2007 6:59:59 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
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To: free_life

I’m a Southerner but I think the League of the South is full of KOOKS.


25 posted on 10/03/2007 7:00:56 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Sherman Logan

And here I was worried someone would correct me by saying “not a republic! a monarchy!”


26 posted on 10/03/2007 7:01:03 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Write. Phone. Fax. Demand answers. Demand questions!!)
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To: free_life

27 posted on 10/03/2007 7:13:56 AM PDT by Between the Lines (I am very cognizant of my fallibility, sinfulness, and other limitations.)
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To: free_life

send Biden to mediate


28 posted on 10/03/2007 7:15:11 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: free_life

Secessionitis has returned?

Don’t tell me we’re going to have to burn Atlanta again.


29 posted on 10/03/2007 7:16:36 AM PDT by Petronski (Congratulations Tribe! AL Central Champs)
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To: free_life

30 posted on 10/03/2007 7:21:56 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: MinnesotaLibertarian

spoken like another Yankee know it all. You probably have a Franken ‘08 sign up in your yard already.


31 posted on 10/03/2007 7:22:52 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: CT-Freeper
I somehow doubt that an independent Vermont would have much gun control at all, just as the current State of Vermont has probably some of the best gun rights in the entire country.

True that. Most people don't realize there are two wholly-separate cultures in Vermont: an extremely liberal one, and an extremely old-school, backwoods individualist-type one.

32 posted on 10/03/2007 7:28:12 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: wideawake
A World Of Warcraft convention would be more interesting, and infinitely more practical.

LOL!!! :-)
33 posted on 10/03/2007 7:28:50 AM PDT by kb2614 (Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
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To: Petronski
"Don’t tell me we’re going to have to burn Atlanta again. "

And us Border Ruffians here in Missouri think those Kansans have been getting kinda uppity here lately.

34 posted on 10/03/2007 7:35:21 AM PDT by RabidBartender (Al-Qaeda doesn't need an intelligence network. They have the U.S. media.)
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To: Squawk 8888
Actually on a serious note I believe the pro gun free citizens of Canada are very many and have great influence.
35 posted on 10/03/2007 7:37:35 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Archon of the East

Unfortunately we don’t have enough of them, especially in the east. One of the downsides of having a mostly urban population.


36 posted on 10/03/2007 7:39:54 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Squawk 8888

yea but sometimes I think the there are more people than we think who understand Freedom and Liberty but our voices get drowned out by the communist funded media. I often wonder what Russia is doing with its immense oil and natural gas money because it sure as hell isn’t going to provide economy for its people. My guess is some of it is going into propaganda that you can read or watch in the Guardian, NYT, LAT, Reuters, Associated Press, Stars and Stripes etc. I just don’t believe that the school of Marx, the Frankfurt school and the likes have given up on destroying Capitalism and human freedom to instill an engineered society complete with Orwellian freedoms. etc


37 posted on 10/03/2007 7:57:26 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Petronski
Secessionitis has returned?...Don’t tell me we’re going to have to burn Atlanta again.

You'll never guess which Presidential candidate speaks for affiliated groups?

38 posted on 10/03/2007 8:06:19 AM PDT by SJackson (isolationism never was, never will be acceptable response to[expansionist] tyrannical governments)
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To: Archon of the East

I suspect that a lot of money is flowing from Saudi Arabia to the mainstream media. I’ve heard that rabidly anti-Bush columnist Eric Margolis is on the Kingdom’s payroll.


39 posted on 10/03/2007 8:07:35 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: free_life
I'm currently writing a novel with this theme. Working title is The Several States.

Don't look for it in book stores any time soon... or ever, for that matter. ;o)
40 posted on 10/03/2007 8:12:43 AM PDT by LIConFem (Thompson 2008. Lifetime ACU Rating: 86 -- Hunter 2008 (VP) Lifetime ACU Rating: 92)
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