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Posted on 09/30/2007 10:01:27 AM PDT by wagglebee
Why not? The whole tone of the article is smugly judging everyone else.
And can you honestly look yourself in the mirror and say you would not make the same choice if that were you?.
I would probably choose morphine to numb the pain.
Cheers!
So you are opposed to treating cancer at all, or pneumonia, or heart disease, since it is God’s will that life-threatening diseases not be thwarted?
One might ask, "why is so much effort going in to promoting this practice; into brainwashing acceptance of it?"Because if it's widely accepted, it'll keep the costs down when we get socialized medicine. Hell, we might not even have to worry about SSI if this works out! Damn, the government will have saved the day and if we wish a life of idle sloth ending in a meaningless processing into the afterlife, we're set!
Well said.
She took her own life. She committed suicide imo.
I understand the need for pain meds/morphine when one is suffering or dying. This woman chose to end her life by taking a drug/med. I have a tough time with that.
My 85 yr old mother was dying, for months. Without any pain meds until two days before she died when she asked me to take the pain away - so I called Hospice, started the procedure so she could get morphine to ease the pain.
This woman planned her death, took a pill or meds to die. She’s not someone to admire imo. I feel sorry for her because she didn’t seem to have the grace of God or belief in God or whatever. She wanted control. There’s no dignity in dying. Both my parents wore diapers, had to be fed, etc. It’s horrible. My mom especially hated that. She was indedependent. She would have never taken a pill to kill herself which is what this woman did.
This woman shopped, had company, danced on the day she died and then took a pill or series of pills to control her death.
I’m not judging her. It’s her life and death. I’m commenting on her *show* and on her *control* of her death. If she was that lucid to control her death, she wasn’t at death’s door. She killed herself. That’s not strength or dignity imo. Dying at any age is tough but she killed herself. She was fine with it, her family and friends were fine with it, so be it. However, she didn’t die with any dignity and this story is just a sob story. I can understand not taking measures to prolong one’s life but taking a pill to end life, it’s just odd to me. It’s the “I don’t want to suffer, want control” line. I look at this as if I was diagnosed with cancer or some inoperable thing - living a few more months sick all the time or living those months until I died while undergoing chemo or whatever. No idea what I’d do at this point but I would never just take a pill or two to end it.
I guess it’s the being in charge that astounds me. Of course we’d all like to be in charge. I know I would. I don’t want anyone to change my diapers, feed me, wipe my butt etc. but it may happen. I had to for my parents and it killed my mom to have someone take care of those needs for her but she never once wanted to take it out of God’s hands. She did want pain meds two days before she died.
This woman wasn’t about pain meds and easing the pain of dying. She was about control which is fine but not about God. IMO. This story romanticizes her death when it was nothing but a suicide. IMO
Now you’ve done it...
You introduced GOD and Jesus into the equation...
Next you’ll be declaring that when the woman saw Jesus He turned His back on her...
And said, “You see these stripes? They were intended for your healing...why did you not accept my healing power?”
Golly you might even go further and say that when you had cancer and was in terrible pain, and given up to die, you chose to believe the Word of God and dragged your body up and down the room for hours at a time, cursing the cancer (because it is a curse and not a blessing from God...there is no disease or sickness in Heaven) and claiming complete healing in the Name of Jesus...
And you might even say that in a period of three weeks the doctors planned to take out your vocal cords FOUR different times and then changed there minds and sent you home from the hospital..
And then your might have the audacity to make the ijits in this thread scream by saying that one day the doctors told you that they knew you had had cancer all these monthsa but now...they dont know where it went...
But you dont have to..though I know you believe in Jesus the Healer...I just did for you...
It ALWAYS pays to believe God first ...not, “well we even prayed..but it didnt work”..
The Word of God ALWAYS works...for those who chose to work it..
So be healed in mind and body the lovely Name of Jesus...
Whoops
Be healed in mind and body IN the lovely Name of Jesus...
I’m confused by this *cancer is the most horrible death* crap. All dying is hard. Cancer deaths don’t have the front of line or corner on dying/difficult deaths.
It’s not about wanting to feel better about oneself. It’s not about “opting” for a better way to die. Dying sucks and there’s no dignity in dying especially for those who need to be cared for by others. This woman, this thread is about this woman who committed suicide or assisted suicide or chose to end her life by taking a pill or two or three. She had no dignity in death since she chose to end her life by taking some pills. She may have had another day to live or two or three. Heck, from the story, she wasn’t at death’s door, dying, so why take the pills other than to control her death? From the story, she chose that day to die, to take those pills that day, so she killed herself. She shopped, took care of her car, had friends over,etc. directed the day. Then took some pills to kill herself that day. The day she wanted to die. That’s suicide imo.
No one knows her last minutes or seconds with God so I don’t comment on that. No one knows what the 9-11 terrorists felt/thought their last seconds or what they talked to God about/their last minutes or seconds with God before they murdered countless innocents. I don’t know what women talk to God about when they’re murdering their babies. Or years later when they regret it. Or before they die. I do know that what this woman did is wrong if she’s a Christian. And her planned death and story isn’t something that should be viewed or held up as something good or honorable. She was weak and pathetic. She was all about control and nothing about God. That’s what I got from her story.
She committed suicide. I don’t admire that.
I do understand choosing not to be kept alive by articificial means. I disagree that she’s perfect proof of our Creator’s Way.
I would agree that it was her choice, outisde of God’s Will, but the taking pills to kill herself kills it for me. She chose when she died and how she died. Sorta takes God and God’s Will out of it for me. She committed suicide. Her choice of course but nothing to admire.
I am not for euthanasia. But, I do have a question? Why is an animal put to sleep to put them out of their misery, but not the same for people?
Yep, the article and story was smug.
Me too. When I’m in pain, give me drugs :) If I’m dying and in pain, give me morphine.
Not judging the woman but also not falling for the sob story or her story of committing suicide as something honorable.
Morphine and a few beers to dull the pain for sure.
One factor is this lady probably saved society 100k and more in terms of costs for medical care. And I’ve seen other cases where it would be in the millions.
When the nation is at war we have to start thinking not in ideals but also practicality.
I get the feeling this woman was manipulated by a group that hopes to advance their agenda on her death. I have doubts about how debilitating her illness was at the time she took her own life. As my mother battled a terminal illness, she was more worried about my father’s ability to care for himself than her own suffering. She admitted several times she hated the fact she was creating such a burden on so many people, but she never thought about taking her own life. My dad on the other hand became someone I had never seen before; he literally gave up two years of his life to “baby-sit” my mother as she deteriorated. At the end, when she became too much for my father to care for, she was still trying her hardest to become functional enough to come home. My mother died with amazing dignity.
You have a problem with objectivity don’t you?
OK, it was suicide.
Why would it be wrong for a Christian to commit suicide? Where is suicide prohibited in the Bible?
Well said.
I agree. I do question this situation and those manipulating it for their advantage. The story seemed odd to me.
I’m so sorry about your mom. It was the same here. My mom was more concerned with us than herself. Same with my Dad when he was dying. My Dad used to talk about being a burden but he was hilarious too - he accepted his situation (being cared for by us, we always joked about it) moreso than my Mom did - she was always talking about not being a burden on us and fought it until the end. She hated the dependence, being a burden as she called it. She was witty but didn’t have my Dad’s wit or attitude about it all.
Both my parents died with dignity but moreso my Mom. Only because she’s the most recent death. She tried her best to stay functional (my Dad was ok with letting us care for him in his last days). My Mom fought it until the end.
Both my parents died with dignity. I have say my Mom moreso but that’s only because of her situation and pain and how difficult it was for her to be cared for. It was horrible for her to have me or anyone care for her basic needs. She talked about/worried so much about us cleaning her. My Dad did too but he joked about it and I’d laugh, say a comment back, it was funny. Not my Mom. It was awful for her. She really hated being what she called a burden. It wasn’t of course but she felt it was.
My Mom died with dignity too. So did my Dad but he was such a joker. It was worse for my Mom so that’s what I recall. They both died with dignity, or as much dignity as death allows. They lived their entire lives with dignity so dying was the same.
I guess I just don’t feel that death or dying, when one has to be cared for, involves dignity. Or the basic dignity. My Dad gave it all up with a laugh, joke, smile. His usual stuff. My Mom , it was awful for her not being able to care for her basic needs. Maybe that’s why it was so much harder with my Mom, because it was harder for her. She hated living with us, being cared for by us. Her last year of life here was mostly fighting with her for us to do stuff for her. She got really sick about 4 months before she died and it was round the clock -she hated it, being changed, fed, cared for. She gave my kids a gift, two teens and two elementary age kids - they helped care for her here for a year. They have wonderful memories of her in their life and they also have caring for her when she was dying for that last year. They were her caretakers that last year and it’s something special even though it was hard for them to experience.
No death or dying is easy but fortunately I’ve had two parents who died with dignity or what I call dignity but more importantly, lived dignified lives. They lived their lives this way and died the same way. Tough act to follow but something to achieve as their kid. They were excellent parents, human beings. I always say my Dad gave me the gift of his humor/wit and my Mom gave me her faith/christianity/catholicism. I just have to live up to it all, lol.
For your first question, any Christian knows this so if you’re a Christian you know the answer to that question. And if not, tell me and I’ll explain.
Have you read the Bible? I ask because it’s sorta an important lesson in a few biblical passages.
Granted, I’m taking your post as one of those goofy ones - asking the question why suicide is wrong for a Christian and asking where suicide is prohibited in the Bible. Either you really don’t know or you’re being snarky or something. If you’re serious, let me know and I’ll answer. I have a gut feeling you’re just being snarky but I’m wrong often and open to discussion.
When the nation is at war we have to start thinking not in ideals but also practicality.
Well ... you aren't the first person who has thought along these lines.
Translation:
"This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the people 60,000 Reichmarks during his lifetime. People, that is your money. Read 'New People'."
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