Chess Master Bump
“the military there is very dismayed at how ineffective new Russian anti-aircraft systems were during the Israeli September 6th air strike on a Syrian weapons development facility near the Iraqi border. Syria and Iran have both bought billions of dollars worth of the latest Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. Apparently the Israelis were able to blind these systems electronically.”
roflmao... roflmao... HAHAHAHA.... HAHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
"Could"? Sure. "Would"? Another question entirely.
Syria got OWNED by 70’s era F-15s and ECM countermeasures.
As usual, Russian hardware, especially their software, is crap.
How did the old USSR ever manage to collapse with business deals like that?
Back in the early 90’s my company was involved in a trade mission to Russia. They wanted everything from soup to nuts.
When asked to open a letter of credit, the Russian companies offered a financial document provided by the government guaranteeing payment for material delivered to places like Syria. The company would give the notes to a bank and draw payroll and what ever they needed.
Come the revolution they had tons of these worthless papers and nothing to show for years of work. They were bankrupt and didn't understand their own government had duped them.
The communists didn't understand the most important part of any sale is getting paid.
but, but, but the nice salesman said they were guaranteed.
Jack Wheeler wrote about this a few days ago....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1903405/posts
Iran and Syria snookered in buying air defense systems from Russia
I’ll repeat the same thing that I said when they bought them.
They will be big smoking holes in the ground.
I never cease to be amused at the arab’s insistence on buying russian arms to defend against Western weapons, even after a dozen or so wars repeatedly show them in real life that they are going to die using them.
Even the Russians are not that stupid.
Current SAM based air defense systems will always lose, because the aggressor can work from the perimeter inward on their own timeline and only when they are completely prepared and ready. Any Iranian general that did not know this to begin with is an idiot.
I know how Iran and Syria feel.
I bought a sonic device to keep away mice. It supposedly emitted a high frequency tone inaudible to humans but annoying to mice ears. More humane than traps or poison.
I found a mouse jumping up and down in the dog food bag right next to the device. Boy did I feel stupid.
This incident underlines a post I made a few weeks back on the panic over the Russian threat to rearm. Most argued against me. I stand by it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1883364/posts
Vladimir Putin Rearms his Cold War Military.
$100 billion spread over how many years? The story doesn’t specify but suggests at least a decade. Perhaps equal to one or two years of Pentagon procurement. Absent some sort of quantum-leap breakthrough this only means Russia falls behind the west at a slower rate.
Then there is the issue of Russian quality control and expertise. The old USSR navy was pretty but in hindsight a failure in nearly every significant category other then raw numbers. The Typhoons, the carriers, the battle-cruisers could rarely leave port. The tanks and aircraft were bested on every battlefield when opposed by modern western equipment if unencumbered by suicidal rules of engagement.
It’s not clear the Russian military-industrial complex has improved any. The indications are the opposite. The inability to put the carrier sold to India back in working order as an example.
I think it’s mostly bluff, played against nations the Russians have been successfully bluffing for the last century.
18 posted on 08/19/2007 7:34:17 AM PDT by tlb
The name should have been your first clue Abdul. Pantsir as in empty your pantsir.
I am not sure that some of this wasn’t done deliberately.
The Americans and Israelis are VERY confident in their defense systems.
By having a strategic failure of this kind, it has led both to believe that the Russians (or anyone with Russian military implements) aren’t really that compentent and would be a fairly easy foe to overtake. The Russians are indeed chess masters. I wouldn’t put it past Putin to ship out bogus equipment (without the knowledge of the expendable Syrians) in order to create such an impression with the US and Israeli military. Russia and Iran have many linkages. And, I think they have a large plan than what we see here. Putin has expansion on his mind. But, in order to get there, he has to have the Americans (and the Israelis if the plans include the Middle East which I believe they do) in a continued state of sleep as far as Russia is concerned.
Don’t get cocky. This was to extreme of a failure not to be suspect.
During the 67 was, the Israeli air force took out about 120 mooselimb jets and lost none.
Mooselimb jets were all soviet ones. Guess russian military hardware still is crap.
My dad was a used car salesman for years, and the Russians remind me so much of used car salesmen. They came out recently with that phony picture of them planting a flag on the bottom of the ocean, and come to find out, it was a still from the movie ‘Titanic’, and then they said they had tested the father of all bombs, and I’m sure that’s nonsense too. They’re just in the weapons business, and their products are crap, but they hype hype hype, and catch a 13th century arab sucker every now and again, flush with oil money. Putin should deal 3 card monty on a little table in Saudi Arabia.
"Previously, fifty of these systems had been sold to the United Arab Emirates."
The UAE no doubt gave our technicians full and complete access to them. I would not be shocked if the CIA or DIA actually funded some of the purchase for this specific purpose.
Regardless, we detail disassembled this thing and know all we need to.
Instead of giving these worthless systems to Syria, sell them to Venezuela who is awash in cash.
Each foreign sales make it easier to sell these systems to other foreign customers.