Posted on 09/18/2007 11:07:18 PM PDT by NapkinUser
Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul had a good week. On Sunday, he made off with the Manchester GOP straw poll (Paul took 66 percent; Thompson was next, with 10 percent. Sam Brownback came in last, with half a percentage point). Soon after, Paul picked up the endorsement of Rep. Paul Ingbretson.
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Nation building?
Agreed, the big issue is security; so first secure the border and then let Congress declare war, and once so declared, fight it like a war; meaning use all possible and effective means to achieve the objectives contingent for victory. One doesn’t pull any punches in a fight for one’s life, and neither should our military. Stormtroopers break down doors; let’s get our infantry sifting through glowing rubble.
CODE PINK HELPED HIM WIN! AND THAT NH STATE REP IS A TRUTHER!!!!
“The other Republicans running are a bunch of big government, globalist CFR members.”
“Democratic candidates - big government socialists, who are also CFR one worlders, are even more repulsive. But from where I stand - there isn’t much difference between Clinton/Obama and Rudy McThomney - either way, kiss American sovereignty good-bye.”
Bears repeating.
One day people will come to realize the forces that actually control from behind the scenes.
You want to compare our nation building policy in a country barely the size of one of our larger States to our actions following WWII? That's a joke. Do not be a bed wetting coward. If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.
LOL
AQ and militant Islamic fundamentalism are not state-actors. They cannot be deterred my MAD or retaliation. And if they acquire WMD, they will be able to inflict mass casualties far greater than those we suffered during WWII. You can't compare them with the Soviets.
We didnt pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us feel safe.
The directors of the FBI and CIA have testified under oath that the Patriot Act is vital for our security. Do you believe them? Your hatred of our government fits in with the Blame America crowd. Whether you believe it or not, we are at war.
If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.
What specific freedoms have you lost since 9/11?
Who?
Anyway, I find it so cute that the Paulestinians get all excited about Paul winning a straw poll, but they claim someone was cheating if he loses.
To: nottimmon
“If you honestly believe this, you really need some sort of medication. Only a person completely disconnected from reality would make this remark.”
Let me give you just one example for the “reality” check.
One assumption that I hope we agree on: The Patriot Act is, in many regards, blatantly unconstitutional.
Based on that assumption, who do you think wrote the Patriot Act?
Do you think that massive socialist piece of legislation was written in the time period between Sept 11th and it’s enactment?
Here is the reality check.
That bill was written by the bureaucrats from both Republican and Democrat administrations over many years, just sitting in the wings waiting for the “right time” to introduce it to Congress for passage.
The reason I know this to be true is because there is a state version that was composed by the same bureaucrats and distributed to the states for their enactment, so everyone would be on the same page, so to speak. (socialism)
When I found out about that state version being introduced in my state legislature, I confronted by state senator about it and asked who spent the thousand of hours necessary, writing this piece of crap.
That is when he ‘fessed up and told me it has been state of composition for years, just waiting for the “right time” to be fined tuned and introduced for passage and enactment.
And, at the federal level, what majority party in Congress and what party was the President who signed the bill a member of?
REPUBLICANS
And would not a Democrat congress and president have done the same?
I rest my case. Thank you for taking the time to read these messages and reply to them.
26 posted on 02/20/2003 4:18:55 PM PST by tahiti
---------------------------------------------- You have a lot more faith in the Democrats than I do. The Feds are gathering a lot more than what is being admitted to from the Patriot Act, which by the way is not the slighest bit patriotic.
So... our borders are secure? We're using all the tools possible to bring the war to a swift conclusion? We're not allowing our Enemies to paint us into a political corner?
Yeah... I didn't think so. You haven't thought this through very far have you...
H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/557871/posts?
q=1&;page=1
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.06D.JVB.Patriot.htm
Well done.
DEMOCRACY???
Excuse me?
What exact "democracy" is that again?
"A way of life"?
Gee, and all this time I thought it was FREEDOM that our forefathers fought and died for.
Mutual Assured Destruction.
Their side wanted to die no more than our side did. The threat was real for both the Soviet Union and the United States. Cooler heads would tend to always prevail. That equation has changed.
We now face an enemy who wants to die for its cause. There is a big difference between a people willing to die for their cause and one wanting to do so. The inhibition of certain death is removed. Until you understand that simple concept you will not have a grasp that the nature of war has changed.
These radicals are rapidly seeking to escalate their abilities. They seek the means to strike from afar as we and our Soviet counterparts did. They gain more knowledge and ability everyday and even the best minds cannot agree on exactly how close they really are to achieving the technology needed to bypass even the best border security. The border patrol cannot stop a missile launched from Iran, or as is even more probable, Venezuela as a proxy. Yes our southern cities are with in range of such a launch and they have demonstrated this ability in Iran with their current inventory.
Paul's position is more than just about Iraq, it is an entire isolationist, non interventionist approach that in no way fits the realities of 21st security. We can argue the issues of Iraq until we pass out, but there are even bigger issues at stake here.
I grew up under the same threat you did, I studied it in college and debated it with many in my day. If you cannot realize the difference now I am sorry.
You call us wimps, so be it, but at least we are not fools.
Well said.
I can’t believe how many people are pretending you can negotiate with religious fanatics.
A religious fanatic by definition believes that by entering ‘negotiations’ with the implication of ‘compromise’ he’s committing a sin against his or her ‘God’.
bin Laden in the last two weeks just stated our only options are to ‘end democracy and convert to Islam’ (rough paraphrase).
I sincerely doubt any candidate, not even Ron Paul would go along with the Democracy part....he might be willing to kneel five times a day facing Mecca, however.
Not me. And because I say that plainly, according to the bin Laden’s of the world I have to be executed in the name of ‘Allah’.
I don’t understand how it is so many find this difficult to realize, and or admit.
I lived two years in a police state [Communist Poland]. The United States of America is not a police state by anyone's measure. You looney tune Paulistas are prone to hyperbole. You have to leave your mother's basement and get out more in the real world.
Normal everyday American’s see no impact what so ever. There maybe one or two exceptions, but there were those before the act as well. We have given up no real liberties, but as you experienced in Poland, reality and fantasy are very different things.
I am a grandfather of five you blithering idiot.
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