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To: ChiMark
What a generation of wimps we have created. Perhaps it is all the fear mongering that this administration has engaged in. I grew up with the Soviet Union having 20,000 nuclear missiles targeted on the U.S...by the very country that perfected the nuclear suitcase. A country whose citizens could blend in with our citizenry far easier than middle eastern Muslims ever could. Nuclear annihilation was always a blink away in the cold war but no one we elected to power stirred fear in our population even though the chances of our destruction from the Soviets was always greater then any current threat from nutcase Muslims without a country and hiding in caves could do to us. We didn’t pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us “feel safe.”

You want to compare our nation building policy in a country barely the size of one of our larger States to our actions following WWII? That's a joke. Do not be a bed wetting coward. If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.

25 posted on 09/19/2007 8:54:53 AM PDT by KDD (A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse)
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To: KDD
What a generation of wimps we have created. Perhaps it is all the fear mongering that this administration has engaged in. I grew up with the Soviet Union having 20,000 nuclear missiles targeted on the U.S...by the very country that perfected the nuclear suitcase. A country whose citizens could blend in with our citizenry far easier than middle eastern Muslims ever could. Nuclear annihilation was always a blink away in the cold war but no one we elected to power stirred fear in our population even though the chances of our destruction from the Soviets was always greater then any current threat from nutcase Muslims without a country and hiding in caves could do to us.

AQ and militant Islamic fundamentalism are not state-actors. They cannot be deterred my MAD or retaliation. And if they acquire WMD, they will be able to inflict mass casualties far greater than those we suffered during WWII. You can't compare them with the Soviets.

We didn’t pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us “feel safe.”

The directors of the FBI and CIA have testified under oath that the Patriot Act is vital for our security. Do you believe them? Your hatred of our government fits in with the Blame America crowd. Whether you believe it or not, we are at war.

If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.

What specific freedoms have you lost since 9/11?

28 posted on 09/19/2007 9:10:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: KDD
You left out one thing in your analysis.

Mutual Assured Destruction.

Their side wanted to die no more than our side did. The threat was real for both the Soviet Union and the United States. Cooler heads would tend to always prevail. That equation has changed.

We now face an enemy who wants to die for its cause. There is a big difference between a people willing to die for their cause and one wanting to do so. The inhibition of certain death is removed. Until you understand that simple concept you will not have a grasp that the nature of war has changed.

These radicals are rapidly seeking to escalate their abilities. They seek the means to strike from afar as we and our Soviet counterparts did. They gain more knowledge and ability everyday and even the best minds cannot agree on exactly how close they really are to achieving the technology needed to bypass even the best border security. The border patrol cannot stop a missile launched from Iran, or as is even more probable, Venezuela as a proxy. Yes our southern cities are with in range of such a launch and they have demonstrated this ability in Iran with their current inventory.

Paul's position is more than just about Iraq, it is an entire isolationist, non interventionist approach that in no way fits the realities of 21st security. We can argue the issues of Iraq until we pass out, but there are even bigger issues at stake here.

I grew up under the same threat you did, I studied it in college and debated it with many in my day. If you cannot realize the difference now I am sorry.

You call us wimps, so be it, but at least we are not fools.

36 posted on 09/19/2007 1:32:02 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (I don't use a sarcasm tag, it kills the effect...)
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To: KDD
I saw your post at work and couldn't wait to get home to say well done.

I'm sick & tired of these wimps trading my wealth & liberty to buy themselves a false sense of security. Nice to see there's a few men left who think the same way.

41 posted on 09/19/2007 3:28:16 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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To: KDD
I saw your post at work and couldn't wait to get home to say well done.

I'm sick & tired of these wimps trading my wealth & liberty to buy themselves a false sense of security. Nice to see there's a few men left who think the same way.

42 posted on 09/19/2007 3:29:11 PM PDT by LIBERTARIAN JOE
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