AQ and militant Islamic fundamentalism are not state-actors. They cannot be deterred my MAD or retaliation. And if they acquire WMD, they will be able to inflict mass casualties far greater than those we suffered during WWII. You can't compare them with the Soviets.
We didn’t pass civil liberty violations such as the Patriot Act nor did we create fascist government depts. like the Dept. of Homeland Security to make us “feel safe.”
The directors of the FBI and CIA have testified under oath that the Patriot Act is vital for our security. Do you believe them? Your hatred of our government fits in with the Blame America crowd. Whether you believe it or not, we are at war.
If we allow fear to change the very basis of our freedoms that this country was founded on then we are our own worst enemy and give terrorists a victory over us by default. And the curious rant that you went on did not address the substance of my post at all.
What specific freedoms have you lost since 9/11?
To: nottimmon
“If you honestly believe this, you really need some sort of medication. Only a person completely disconnected from reality would make this remark.”
Let me give you just one example for the “reality” check.
One assumption that I hope we agree on: The Patriot Act is, in many regards, blatantly unconstitutional.
Based on that assumption, who do you think wrote the Patriot Act?
Do you think that massive socialist piece of legislation was written in the time period between Sept 11th and it’s enactment?
Here is the reality check.
That bill was written by the bureaucrats from both Republican and Democrat administrations over many years, just sitting in the wings waiting for the “right time” to introduce it to Congress for passage.
The reason I know this to be true is because there is a state version that was composed by the same bureaucrats and distributed to the states for their enactment, so everyone would be on the same page, so to speak. (socialism)
When I found out about that state version being introduced in my state legislature, I confronted by state senator about it and asked who spent the thousand of hours necessary, writing this piece of crap.
That is when he ‘fessed up and told me it has been state of composition for years, just waiting for the “right time” to be fined tuned and introduced for passage and enactment.
And, at the federal level, what majority party in Congress and what party was the President who signed the bill a member of?
REPUBLICANS
And would not a Democrat congress and president have done the same?
I rest my case. Thank you for taking the time to read these messages and reply to them.
26 posted on 02/20/2003 4:18:55 PM PST by tahiti
---------------------------------------------- You have a lot more faith in the Democrats than I do. The Feds are gathering a lot more than what is being admitted to from the Patriot Act, which by the way is not the slighest bit patriotic.
So... our borders are secure? We're using all the tools possible to bring the war to a swift conclusion? We're not allowing our Enemies to paint us into a political corner?
Yeah... I didn't think so. You haven't thought this through very far have you...
H.R.3162 PATRIOT ACT{ YOUR NEW- POLICESTATE- LOOK FOR YOUR SELF}
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/557871/posts?
q=1&;page=1
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.06D.JVB.Patriot.htm