Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

UK: Archbishop calls secret service for gay clergy to halt slide towards schism
The Times (U.K.) ^ | September 18, 2007 | Ruth Gledhill

Posted on 09/17/2007 5:30:35 PM PDT by Stoat

Archbishop calls secret service for gay clergy to halt slide towards schism

 

Dr Rowan Williams is just returning from a three-month break, but the secret communion is bound to destabilise his position further

Dr Rowan Williams is just returning from a three-month break, but the secret communion is bound to destabilise his position further

 
 
 

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, is to hold a secret Communion service for gay clergy and their partners in London.

Dr Williams will celebrate the eucharist at St Peter’s, Eaton Square – the Church of England parish that is known as the spiritual home to some of the country’s most liberal and wealthy Anglican elite. There he will give an address titled “Present realities and future possibilities for lesbians and gay men in the Church”.

The event has been organised under Chatham House rules, which prevent any disclosure of the discussions. The event will take place at 10am on November 29. A list of the names of those who will be present will be seen only by Dr Williams. It will be shredded afterwards.

Among those attending will be the convenor, Chris Newlands, the chaplain to the Bishop of Chelmsford, the Right Rev John Gladwin. Also present will be the Vicar of St Peter’s, the Rev Nicholas Papadopulos, and the former chaplain to the Bishop of Salisbury, the Right Rev David Stancliffe.

Dr Williams’s mission to maintain the unity of the Anglican Communion, rent with schism since the 2003 ordination of the gay Bishop Gene Robinson in the US, has never appeared less likely to succeed. The disclosure of the event could not have come at a time more likely to destabilise him. This week he is due to attend a meeting of US Episcopal bishops to discuss the crisis. He has returned from three months on holiday and sabbatical, working on a study of the Russian writer Dostoevsky. His return has been marked by a Church in disarray.

African archbishops from the Global South group of churches have been consecrating like-minded evangelical bishops from the US to pastor parishes alienated by the Episcopal Church’s liberal drift. A new structure is in place to facilitate a breakaway province in the US. There is speculation that at least one African province could be close to consecrating a missionary bishop in England.

The Rev Richard Kirker, of the Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement, criticised Dr Williams for trying to hold a Communion service in secret.

“I don’t think it is a good thing in many ways. The conditions of secrecy are quite at variance with the openness of his meetings with a panoply of antigay church leaders. We are astonished at the attempts to make the meeting clandestine when it would be far better to have this in the open. The fact that he wants to go there without anyone knowing he’s going there makes it quite clear that he has an attitude towards the event that he doesn’t have at any other meetings.”

Details of the event were published on a website of the Church Society, evangelical.org. The Rev David Phillips, its general secretary, said: “The secretive nature and circumstances of the meeting suggest they have something to hide. Moreover, as is well known, there are clergy in the Church of England who have refused to give assurances that they are celibate and bishops who, contrary to their own agreed policy, apparently refuse to ask for such assurances.

“The Archbishop might have defended the meeting with such a group on the grounds that he is engaged in a listening process. However, by leading the Communion service he is clearly doing far more than just listening.”

Chris Sugden, of the evangelical group Anglican Mainstream, said: “It is understandable that the Archbishop of Canterbury would wish to express support and understanding for people who struggle with same-sex attraction. Many Christian churches and organisations do that.” He said that to do so in the context of a service of Holy Communion was “problematic”. He said: “The teaching of the Bible, of the Anglican Communion and of the Church of England is that active same-sex behaviour is contrary to the will of God for human behaviour.”

A spokesman for Dr Williams said: “It should come as no surprise that the Archbishop is meeting pastorally with clergy and others affected by the current debates in the Church. Such encounters extend right across the range of opinions within the Church. Few of these encounters ever reach the public domain. That is as it should be.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anglican; britain; churchofengland; england; europeanchristians; greatbritain; homosexual; homosexualagenda; homosexualclergy; homosexuals; religion; rowanwilliams; schism; uk; unitedkingdom
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-31 last
To: Cecily
he takes the summer off to study Dostoevsky

I am not so sure this is a bad idea, Dostoevsky, more than nearly any other writer writes about the reality and terror of evil. His Grand Inquisitor scene in The Brothers Karamazov, the murderer in Crime and Punishment, and the revolutionaries in The Possessed (The Devils), all may prepare the Archbishop to meet with the homosexual activists destroying.his church.

21 posted on 09/17/2007 8:55:43 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (IF TREASON IS THE QUESTION, THEN MOVEON.ORG IS THE ANSWER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: RichInOC
“Rule One...”


22 posted on 09/17/2007 9:07:48 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be Exorcised)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: lexington minuteman 1775

Remember though, that Episcopalians going Anglican are still, like all in the Anglican Communion in communion with the Archbishop of Canterbury... He’s not with pope-like authority, but definitely is a first among equals.

It is amazing that a man as brilliant as Williams (and by all accounts, he’s a near-genius..) can’t seem to understand scripture’s clear delineation of godly sexual behavior.

Liberal theology is a cancer for sure.


23 posted on 09/17/2007 9:31:41 PM PDT by AnalogReigns (Sola Gracia! Sola Fide! Sola Scriptura! Solus Christus! Soli Deo Gloria!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Stoat

While studying at Durham University, Durham, England, I ran into many Anglican priests and ministers. I was told by nearly all of them that at least 75% of the clergy in England were homosexual, and nearly all the Anglo-Catholics. If this is true, and I believe that it is, you can see the problem that Dr. Williams faces. This situation, at least in America, began with Bishop Pike when the Episcopal church declared that there was no such thing as heresy. If you want to see what liberalism does to a denomination, just keep your eye on the Anglicans. It should prove instructive.


24 posted on 09/17/2007 9:47:55 PM PDT by Ferox
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ferox
I was told by nearly all of them that at least 75% of the clergy in England were homosexual, and nearly all the Anglo-Catholics.

These are mutually exclusive as homosexuality is proscribed by all Catholic theology whether Eastern or Western. More likely these homosexuals had some renegade theology or another that included playing dress-up.

25 posted on 09/18/2007 6:31:47 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Huber
More likely these homosexuals had some renegade theology or another that included playing dress-up.

As well as a desire to place themselves in a position of trust and reverence so that they might more easily manipulate and take advantage of young boys.

26 posted on 09/18/2007 6:46:24 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Ferox
If you want to see what liberalism does to a denomination, just keep your eye on the Anglicans. It should prove instructive.

How very, very sad.  Thanks so much for your firsthand account.

27 posted on 09/18/2007 6:48:26 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Cicero
Tony Blair has a record of supporting gay rights, notably his insistence of forcing a bill lowering the age of consent for gay sex with minors through parliament

I hadn't heard about that....thanks very much for posting.

28 posted on 09/18/2007 6:51:53 AM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Stoat; lightman; aberaussie; redgolum
Celebrating homoerotic sex by the Christian eucharist has to a macabre and grotesque piece of theatre, a truly sectarian rite of a pagan nature.

You're VERY RIGHT!!!! It HAPPENED, in all its grotesquery, heresy, and schismaticism, at the so-called "goodsoil eucharist" at the ELCA Churchwide Assembly! This cracked liturgy was not secret, and it was presided over by a sitting synodical bishop (that's the schismatic part).

29 posted on 09/18/2007 7:33:01 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Huber; Ferox; lightman; Kolokotronis

Mere prancing around the chancel without having an O/orthodox heart is empty and blasphemous indeed!!!!


30 posted on 09/18/2007 7:36:22 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Honorary Serb; NYer; Salvation

“Windswept House” may have been right all along.


31 posted on 09/18/2007 4:00:10 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-31 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson