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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #6–Ft Lauderdale, FL 09/17/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 09/17/2007 3:30:35 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #6 – Fort Lauderdale, Florida 09/17/07 - Official Discussion Thread

The debate will focus on issues of special concern to social and religious conservatives who brand themselves "values voters." The candidates will begin arriving here mid-afternoon, and the debate kicks off at 7:30 p.m. Eastern Time. It will be streamed live via the Internet at ValuesVoterDebate.com and the website for the American Family Association.

It is also reported to be telecast on Sky Angel's Angel One channel & Dish Network channel #262.

Moderated by Joseph Farah, editor of WorldNetDaily

Candidates participating



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To: pissant
I know his record

..it makes all the difference

701 posted on 09/17/2007 9:18:27 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: RasterMaster; gidget7

Thanks for your responses. Looking forward to seeing Duncan’s debate performance.

Sorry I’m so slow, too many things going on right now. My brother just called to tell me his ex-father-in-law just died. His kids are taking it pretty hard. He sounded so down and tired.


702 posted on 09/17/2007 9:19:19 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: WalterSkinner

Yep, and we just got to make sure everyone else knows these guys’ records.


703 posted on 09/17/2007 9:20:23 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: All; dschapin; 8mmMauser

I read that Huckabee said that Congress should not have stepped in to save Terri, but it was OK for Florida govt. to try to save her. I am trying to search for the story, but so far haven’t found it.

To: 8mmMauser, Do you have the story about Huckabee saying that Congress should not have stepped in to save Terri? I thought I read it on one of the Terri threads, and it was from a FL newspaper?


704 posted on 09/17/2007 9:20:35 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: upsdriver

Sorry to hear that: your brothers family will definately be in my prayers.


705 posted on 09/17/2007 9:21:39 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: takenoprisoner
The man has the big'uns.

Did somebody say big'uns?

706 posted on 09/17/2007 9:22:14 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: dschapin

Thank you, I appreciate that.


707 posted on 09/17/2007 9:25:04 PM PDT by upsdriver (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Lol, I can understand that - she did seem a little hyper. she was probably still coming down from all the excitement and stress of having put the debate together. She is the person who came up with the original idea of holding the debate and recruited the other organizations to make it happen.


708 posted on 09/17/2007 9:26:08 PM PDT by dschapin
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To: All; anyone
The government does have some very important limited roles to fill in our lives. Redistributing wealth, legislating morality and performing social engineering are not among them. However, Gubmint should:

Ensure a properly functioning free market economy that allows people to acquire STUFF for their family

Provide a strong armed forces to prevent foreign enemies from invading and taking our STUFF or blowing up our STUFF

Provide law enforcement and criminal justice to prevent other citizens from taking our STUFF or hurting us or our family

Guard the border to make sure illegal immigrants don't come in here and try to get STUFF

Build roads, highways, bridges and other transportation infrastructure so that we can move our STUFF from one place to another

Hire a limited number of bureaucrats to keep track of our STUFF


709 posted on 09/17/2007 9:27:28 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: fred4prez
"I don’t agree that the top four candidates are wimps for not showing up; it was really all or none - if only one of the top tier candidates did show up, he would automatically, unfortunately, be subconsciously grouped with these (statistically speaking) losers. That’s just the way the game works today."

Then someone should put together a list of all the questions the values voters asked the attending candidates and give them to Rudy McThomney to answer.  If it's just a matter of not showing up because none of the other four did, we should have answers quickly from all the non attendants.  If it is a matter of not respecting values voters and trying to pretend to be conservatives when they are not,  there will be some excuse as to why they should not answer.   Don't hold your breath waiting for a response from them. 

710 posted on 09/17/2007 9:28:23 PM PDT by Waryone (Constantly amazed by society's downhill slide.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

He did press yes or no whichever way it was phrased, to not allowing taxpayer supported public schools to teach/support homosexuality.

Standing on principle as usual.


711 posted on 09/17/2007 9:29:44 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (Can you hear that whistle blow? I can. I'm on the freedom train. Don't miss it.)
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To: All; dschapin; 8mmMauser

So far, I found this from a blog, but couldn’t find the newspaper article. According to this, he actually said he wasn’t sure.

Huckabee: “On governmental intervention in the Terri Schiavo case: “I had no problem with the state getting involved because it’s one of their citizens. but I wasn’t sure how the federal government had a role in all that.”’

http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2007/05/mike-huckabee-on-terri-schiavo.html


712 posted on 09/17/2007 9:35:34 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: counterpunch
I attended the debate tonight, arriving in time for the 2nd and 3rd part of the debate. ~~~~~~ It was a 75 percent full house crowd, except for upper lvl. The 2nd part questions were mostly obvious everyone answered the same. Occassionally, Paul dissented and Brownback and Hunter also went against the crowd once or twice.

- Representative Hunter was very active, early to jump in and make some comments, good energy tonight. Got to meet him and he seemed quite upbeat. He was clearly the best talking about national defense and anti-terrorism, sounding very confident on it.

- Paul had a small but VERY loud/enthusiastic following. Very young too of the "alternative" crowd I guess you'd say. Paul was quick to meet right in front of stage as soon as it ended. He didn't play his anti-war card much, but talked about not "pushing our values on everyone" across the world and stop being so "woodrow wilson" of a country. Folks next to me liked hearing that.

- Cox stood out with good energy, but used a lot of cliches/buzzwords instead of some real depth. Played the "executive as CEO" angle, anti-Washington card. Claims he's the one to beat Hillary because he's not a career politician.

- Keyes was his awesome public speaking self as usual. He got a misconceived question about the UN, but quickly explained his great credentials on the matter, being the one who originally lobbied for the "Mexico City Policy." re: foreign abortion funding. He got the final 4 minutes and reminded everyone that Our Creator is the source of all freedom and not acknowledging him is a big mistake. The 45 min drive was worth it just to hear him speak live. Wow.

- An Iranian Christian immigrant had an interesting question for them about Shiite influence in Iraq and would they support more regional areas dedicated to Iraqi Christians. Paul was a NO on that question I recall.

- Brownback, Huckabee we're ok. Huckabee sought to invoke Reagan and talked about the optimism of America. Brownback nuanced his opposition to amnesty with his support for guest worker program.

- Judge Roy Moore got a THUNDEROUS applause when he was introduced, basically a standing O as well.

----- I was suprised how many young adults were there (20's - 30s). It was a very diverse crowd, and the most vocal outbursts were for Paul, and also Hunter when speaking about "we need to WIN the war in Iraq" and other a joke about about forcing the Taliban watch some of our liberal networks or something.

713 posted on 09/17/2007 9:36:32 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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To: takenoprisoner
He did press yes or no whichever way it was phrased, to not allowing taxpayer supported public schools to teach/support homosexuality. Standing on principle as usual.

That is why I love Ron Paul despite his misguided view on the WOT. We need 410 more Congressman like him. We can leave the other 24 seats for Socialists, Communists and neo cons in the House just for entertainment value. It's also the reason that I send my children to private Catholic school...so they won't have to be indoctrinated into the Hitler Youth public school liberal system.

To the FReepers in attendance and the millions watching around the world on Pay Per View…Ladies and Gentleman...

LLLLLLLets Get Ready to RRRumblllllllle!!!!

“LET'S GET READY TO RUMBLE!"® is a registered Trademark of Michael Buffer, all rights reserved.

1,500,000,000 rounds of posts, arguments, insults, cheesy graphics, name calling, and ad hominem personal attacks that pass as debate for the FUTURE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!

"Introducing first, to my right, fighting out of the red corner, wearing their Sunday best with a gold crucifix...weighing in at 810 and 1/4 pounds...the social conservatives, the religious right, the champions of family values...from the Southern States...The Evangelicals!" (wild applause)

"And in the blue corner, wearing an off the rack suit, Goldwater ’64 lapel pin and a belt 2 sizes too small...weighing in at 141 pounds soaking wet...the fiscal conservatives, the last champions of limited government...from the Western States...The Libertarians!" (wild applause)

Chapter 1: Live From the Reagan Building

The winner of the bout gets to take on the Neo-Cons for the undisputed GOP Heavyweight Championship of the World!


714 posted on 09/17/2007 9:40:15 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: newzjunkey
On the contrary, it's the grown ups who understand the pointless exercise this debate is.

Given the mess your ilk has made of California and the disaster you've made of the CAGOP, best you refrain before you make that arrogant mistake irreversible at the Federal level.

715 posted on 09/17/2007 9:41:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Sun
But no one has yet pointed out one thing they’re not credible about.

They really blew it with their fear mongering over Y2K. They made a lot of money selling survival gear for it too.

716 posted on 09/17/2007 9:44:57 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: All

I heard that Rudy Giuliani was not only in Ft. Lauderdale tonight, but he was actually on the same street as the event, but still didn’t show up.


717 posted on 09/17/2007 9:44:59 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Carry_Okie

A lot of people felt we should be prepared in case something happened with Y2K.


718 posted on 09/17/2007 9:48:05 PM PDT by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-life/borders, understands Red China threat! http://www.gohunter08.com/Home.aspx)
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To: Sun
A lot of people felt we should be prepared in case something happened with Y2K.

It's always good to be prepared for disaster. It was treating disastrous consequences to Y2K as a virtual certainty that really sunk WND. A little circumspection would have gone a long way. They still haven't learned.

719 posted on 09/17/2007 10:00:16 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Sun
"This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." ~ John 3:19-21
720 posted on 09/17/2007 10:01:50 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture ("Third tier" candidates > "first tier" candidates)
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