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GOP's Ron Paul wants all troops home
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | 09/12/07 | JOEL CONNELLY

Posted on 09/12/2007 7:21:50 AM PDT by presidio9

Amid a lineup of what ought to be called "big government conservatives," Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul stands out like the Lonesome End on Army's 1950s football teams.

Asked his policy on U.S. troops fighting in Iraq, the Texas congressman, now serving his 10th term, replies: "I would get them home as soon as possible."

And U.S. troops in Europe?

"I would get them home," Paul said in an interview Tuesday. "Having them stationed abroad doesn't serve our national interest, and that goes for forces in Japan and Korea.

"We should only send U.S. forces abroad when our security is directly threatened. Right now, nobody threatens our national security."

Such sentiments make Paul the odd man out in GOP debates. Other candidates have been seen smirking as he speaks.

Although described as a libertarian, the physician-politician is a throwback on stands that used to define "conservative" in America -- defense of individual liberties, a minimalist federal government and freedom from foreign entanglements.

"I call it a non-interventionist, constitutional foreign policy," he said Tuesday. "We should have a strong national defense. But we should stay out of other countries' internal affairs. Our role is not nation building, and not to be world policeman."

In Paul's view, the U.S. invasion of Iraq worked to encourage al-Qaida. "The motivation by suicide terrorists is that we have invaded territory that is not ours," he argued.

Paul will spend a hectic Friday in Seattle this week.

The events on his schedule range from a public lecture on the U.S. Constitution, set for 1:30 p.m. Friday at Seattle University's Campion Tower Ballroom, to a $2,000 private briefing scheduled for 3:30 p.m. at the College Club. Then a $1,000-per-person reception at the Westin reception will be followed by a 7:30 p.m. rally in the Grand Ballroom.

If you missed the movie "Twister," the Republicans' 2008 field offers lots of blustery, changing winds. Mitt Romney has reversed past stands on abortion and gay rights. Fred Thompson is trying to explain how he gave legal advice to a pro-choice feminist group. The thrice-married Rudy Giuliani is seeking to court the religious right.

Paul is not a man for campaign conversions -- even on a week that takes him to three liberal West Coast cities.

"My message is exactly the same wherever I go," he said. "If it is a liberal city where I am speaking, I try to teach them the virtue of economic liberties. If it is a conservative religious town, I try to stress why individual liberties are important."

Paul was a lonely Republican vote against passage and reauthorization of the USA Patriot Act. He feels the landmark post-9/11 law violated the Fourth Amendment, which provides Americans with guarantees against unreasonable search and seizure of their property.

If elected, said Paul, "I would do everything I can to repeal it. ... We do not need to spy on the American people to provide for our national security."

Born in Pennsylvania, Paul served in the Air Force as a flight surgeon, and moved to Texas to practice obstetrics and gynecology near Houston. He was drawn to politics when President Nixon severed the connection between the dollar and gold in 1971.

He would radically downsize the federal government. "I don't think there is any need for the Department of Education, the Department of Energy or particularly the monstrous Department of Homeland Security," he said Tuesday.

Asked what role he sees for the federal government in education, Paul replied: "None. Nothing in the Constitution provides for a federal role."

Paul would seek to divest the federal government of its vast landholdings in the West. "I would always move in the direction of moving those lands to the states, except in special circumstances such as national parks."

The Paul campaign has taken in about $3 million as of midyear, a fraction of money raised by the Romney ($43.5 million) and Giuliani ($35.4 million) juggernauts. In the West, Paul registers among donation leaders only in Montana and Wyoming.

Yet, the physician-politician has become a hit on the Internet. He is the candidate of voters, left and right, who would otherwise fill in "None of the Above" on pollsters' questionnaires.

Paul relishes being apart from the field, especially in talking about two favorite subjects -- Iraq and individual liberties. Of Democrats, he said: "They were elected to do something last fall, and they've done nothing. They've identified themselves as the party of civil liberties, and done nothing."

Nor does Paul have any sympathy for Republican "conservatives" who stress economic liberty but see nothing wrong with a government that pushes around its citizens. "You cannot have a Supreme Court that protects economic liberties and not individual liberties," he said.

On assisted suicide, talking as a physician, Paul said: "Taking someone's life is not something I want to get involved in." Yet, he describes legalization as "a state issue."

"I don't support abortion, but I don't want to pass any federal law to regulate it," he added.

In Texas, it is possible to run simultaneously for Congress and president. Paul intends to file for re-election to his House seat.

Has he seen any other Republican candidate he could support for the White House? "So far, nobody," he replied.


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To: MEGoody
just like John Kerry.

Did John Kerry favor state laws against abortion?
121 posted on 09/12/2007 9:28:49 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: mnehrling
Not sure where in the world that quote you posted came from, but here is the interview and the 'rest of the remarks'..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296404,00.html

PAUL: Because — no, I do not fear them as you do, as many do, because they want another war. They want to spread this war. This has been the plan by the neo conservatives to have this major overall — this revamping of the whole Middle East, precisely the reason the al Qaeda is growing. The al Qaeda is growing because of our policy. Our national security is threatened because of our policy. And it makes it much worse.

So I see the Iranians is acting logically and defensively. We've been fighting the Iranians since 1953. We overthrew their government through the CIA in 1953. We were allies with Saddam Hussein in the 1980's. And we encouraged him to invade...

I didn't quote, just gave my sense from speeches viewed over the last few days, since I became interested in this guy.

Yes, the Iranians are acting logically and defensively from their standpoint (and this is key to understanding what Paul is saying. We 'aborted' an Iranian nationalist movement and they haven't forgotten. Of course, they HAVE forgotten that they were in a miserable standoff with British Petroleum at the time.

RP's providing context to help understand how the Iranians are seeing things, not justifying them. He thinks that if we get our hated presence out of there, currently virulent anti-Americanism will die down. I think he's right.

122 posted on 09/12/2007 9:29:22 AM PDT by US at Risk
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To: Nephi
No, freerepublic isn't a conservative forum anymore. It is a neo-con globalist forum where dissent from war-mongering, nation building and policing the world is met with vitriolic attacks and invitations to leave, rather than reasoned discussion.

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Coward. Address those remarks to the person to whom you are referring.

123 posted on 09/12/2007 9:29:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Nephi

It’s not worth it, Nephi. Don’t get yourself banned just because Paul is not popular here. Just keep making your case and let the primaries play out.


124 posted on 09/12/2007 9:30:07 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: LibLieSlayer
GOP’s LLS wants paul to STFU!

My, your ability to discuss serious topics intelligently never fails to impress. /sarc
125 posted on 09/12/2007 9:30:21 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Jim Robinson
Hey, you don’t like it here, leave. No one’s begging you to hang around.

Hey you don't like it when I point out something that you've embraced that is incompatible with conservatism and it makes you uncomfortable ban me. If that's the best you can do.

126 posted on 09/12/2007 9:30:21 AM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: trisham

I knew you girls would be all over it.


127 posted on 09/12/2007 9:31:06 AM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
He said no federal law.

In other words, he opposes Congressional action to address the judicial legislation represented by Roe v. Wade and he opposes a Human Life Amendment.

128 posted on 09/12/2007 9:31:57 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: presidio9

this man has to be STOPPED!


129 posted on 09/12/2007 9:32:19 AM PDT by pollywog (Joshua 1:9 Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid,)
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To: hophead
We all want our troops home. It is a matter of when and under what conditions.

I agree that this is what I want, but I disagree that this is what "all" want. The globalist federal government wants troops all over the world permanently for reasons that have nothing to do with national security.
130 posted on 09/12/2007 9:33:17 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Nephi

Right. Call me a girl, sissy.


131 posted on 09/12/2007 9:33:22 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Iwo Jima
is opposed to unconstitutional federal laws against murder, abortion, and thousands of other crimes

The Constitution does not prevent Congress from making murder of any kind a federal crime.

Ron Paul can make up all the fake Constitutional restrictions he wants - doesn't change the document.

132 posted on 09/12/2007 9:34:18 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Thanks brother


133 posted on 09/12/2007 9:35:19 AM PDT by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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To: bray

I’m not being fooled by anyone. You, on the other hand, sound paranoid.


134 posted on 09/12/2007 9:36:43 AM PDT by Petronski (Cleveland Indians: Pennant -11)
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To: ClaireSolt
I may fall in love with Paul, as I also agree that the Fed claims to control too much land.

I agree. This is a very important issue which only Ron Paul is addressing. It is the only conceivable way out of the social security mess.

Many of those who constantly blast Paul for his stance on the war are only trying to discredit him so that views such as these will not even be heard.
135 posted on 09/12/2007 9:36:47 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Iwo Jima
Did John Kerry favor state laws against abortion?

LOL I merely said that Ron Paul's statement sounded like John Kerry's. Are you denying that John Kerry said almost the same thing Paul was quoted as saying? Or are you trying to say that Ronnie was misquoted?

136 posted on 09/12/2007 9:37:05 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ksen
The Iraq conflict has become the "cause celebre" for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of US involvement in the Muslim world and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.

In other words, the more the Moose-limbs follow through on becoming terrorists, the sooner they become martyrs, and the sooner we'll have cleaned that end of the gene pool.

And you have a problem with that?
137 posted on 09/12/2007 9:37:29 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: ccmay
his positions are more conservative than liberal on balance

Very true, very true.
138 posted on 09/12/2007 9:38:07 AM PDT by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I don't care if you criticize his foreign policy, but don't ever insinuate that he's pro-abortion.

I merely indicated that his statement was almost identical to the one John Kerry made. So are you denying that John Kerry said anything like Ron's quote, or are you trying to say the quote is in error?

139 posted on 09/12/2007 9:38:21 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Nephi
It is a neo-con globalist forum where dissent from war-mongering, nation building and policing the world

Did you lift this from OBL's latest tape?

140 posted on 09/12/2007 9:38:32 AM PDT by Lead Moderator
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