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Transgender pastor's new test of faith (United Methodist Church)
LA Times ^ | September 9, 2007 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 09/10/2007 7:32:00 AM PDT by NYer

BALTIMORE — The Rev. Ann Gordon stood in front of her United Methodist congregation last fall and announced that she was now he.

Surgery and testosterone had transformed Ann into the Rev. Drew Phoenix -- still as liberal and laid-back as always, but now legally male. Most in the small congregation accepted their pastor's transition; they even threw him a renaming party, complete with birthday cake.

But when Phoenix, 48, was reappointed to another year of ministry this spring by his bishop, it sparked a protest in the United Methodist Church.

The denomination's highest authority, the Judicial Council, will take up the case next month, deciding whether the church should accept transgender pastors. The decision will determine Phoenix's future; it could also have political implications. Presiding over the Judicial Council is Dr. James W. Holsinger Jr., President Bush's nominee for surgeon general and a longtime lay leader of the United Methodist church. Democrats have objected to Holsinger in large part because of work he has done for his church over the years.

In 1991, Holsinger wrote a paper for the church describing gay sex as abnormal and unhealthy. On the Judicial Council last year, he supported a pastor who would not permit a gay man to join his congregation. Holsinger has also affirmed the church's stance against openly gay and lesbian clergy.

The Senate has not yet scheduled a vote on Holsinger, though his confirmation hearing was two months ago. He has been asked to answer further questions in writing. In the meantime, Holsinger will handle several Judicial Council cases dealing with sexuality. Most prominent is the question of Phoenix's right to remain in ministry.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: carnival; disorders; freakshow; genderiddisorder; holsinger; homosexualagenda; homosexualclergy; methodist; postop; religion; religiousleft; transgender; umc
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The Rev. Drew Phoenix, formerly the Rev. Ann Gordon, at St. John’s of Baltimore City. The Judicial Council will take up his case next month, deciding whether the church should accept transgender pastors.
1 posted on 09/10/2007 7:32:02 AM PDT by NYer
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To: wagglebee

Ping!


2 posted on 09/10/2007 7:32:21 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Apple Blossom

ping


3 posted on 09/10/2007 7:34:01 AM PDT by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: NYer

Mocking God has eternal consequences.


4 posted on 09/10/2007 7:35:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: NYer
The Rev. Drew Phoenix, formerly the Rev. Ann Gordon..

I'm surprised that it didn't choose the name "Biff Steele" or something.

5 posted on 09/10/2007 7:37:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: NYer

Isn’t mutilation amazing these days?


6 posted on 09/10/2007 7:38:02 AM PDT by kenth
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To: NYer

You play with the cards you’re dealt. You can’t go into the deck and pick your own....................


7 posted on 09/10/2007 7:38:55 AM PDT by Red Badger (ALL that CARBON in ALL that oil & coal was once in the atmospere. We're just putting it back!)
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To: NYer

Looking at this...person, in this case, it may have been a blessing


8 posted on 09/10/2007 7:41:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NYer

Oh, the poor ... person. Someone should have noticed a long time ago that she (as was ...) needed lots of mental health intervention.


9 posted on 09/10/2007 7:41:38 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I dreamed that Horatio Hornblower was a Death Eater.)
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To: NYer

This world has gone mad....


10 posted on 09/10/2007 7:42:31 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: NYer

book mark..... this should be a fun thread


11 posted on 09/10/2007 7:43:58 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: xzins

Because you’re gonna get pinged here sooner or later anyway...


12 posted on 09/10/2007 7:45:54 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands
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To: DManA
Mocking God has eternal consequences.

Aye, and temporal ones too; this flaming creature will be reminded of them each time she looks at her mutilated body in the mirror. It is as if she is acting out this passage from Romans 1:

"...committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."

Dante could not have dreamt of a crueler punishment for a pervert that that which this woman has already wrought upon herself. If God is merciful, the very horror of it may yet drive this sad creature to repentance.

13 posted on 09/10/2007 7:48:40 AM PDT by jboot (If I can't get a Josiah, I'll settle for a Jehu)
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To: xzins
So, what would make you bail on this apostate cesspool?
14 posted on 09/10/2007 7:48:40 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Gay State Conservative
Kinda hedging (his/her) bets with Drew, isn’t (he/she)?
15 posted on 09/10/2007 7:50:40 AM PDT by dighton
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To: NYer

Takes a lot of “faith” (or more accurately, self-deception) to believe cutting body parts actually changes one’s God-given sex.


16 posted on 09/10/2007 7:50:46 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: NYer

Just goes to show you what extreme lengths fans of actor Dennis Dugan will go to just to look like him.

17 posted on 09/10/2007 7:50:52 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Tom, I'm getting dead from you, but I'm not getting Un-dead..." -- Frasier Crane)
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To: NYer

Here we go again.


18 posted on 09/10/2007 7:50:53 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: NYer

The United Methodist Church is on an advertizing binge. I heard one of their radio commercials yesterday. The theme was “Something for everyone at the UMC.”


19 posted on 09/10/2007 7:51:01 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: NYer

Methodists, whew, thank goodness! As I read this I was certain it was going to be another Episcopalian...


20 posted on 09/10/2007 7:53:15 AM PDT by meandog ((Romney and Giuliani: Just like Bill Clinton, duplicitous draft-dodgers))
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